100 gems to remove level 4 embedded gems

[dourdim_4949350]

You're assuming a lot, pie scoop. Obviously I don't think level 4 is the highest chip, otherwise why would we even be talking about the cost of removal? I have already written that I think the removal cost doubling every chip level is too steep, but there should be a significant barrier to removing that level 4 (and above). You are just shouting gimme gimme gimme without even trying to understand the points other people are making.

It's very simple. WB was allowing people to rise too fast. They earned it, but the problem was, once one person earned it, there was very little chance for anyone else to earn it, because the reward for earning it made it easier to earn the next day and every other day after that. The devs want more people to have a chance, so that the people stay in the game. This should be obvious to you by seeing the final blow change and the plan drop change. The chip removal cost seems to be designed, from the beginning, to slow the people who loaded up on level 4s (and we are talking about level 4s because that's what the reward in wb is) is that they have to actually think ahead when embedding their level 4 chips - Do I want to blow my load on all these level 4s now, or do I want to maybe have some patience now in exchange for reward later, and wait until I synthetize (Tynon's word) some level 5s or higher later? Now, especially with the lab changes, if you someone is patient they might acquire some level 5s and gain an advantage over the person who has been lording the level 4s over them.

Obviously you are now wishing you had waited for some level 5s. Sorry, you can't have your cake and eat it too.

[mattp169]

Seriously How do you all not get the reason why there should be no reason to have the 100 gem+ cost to remove gems

Let say you have all guard equipment. That is 120 chip slots that would take over 5b level 4 chips from WB and lab to fill with all level 15 chips

So why in the world do we need to slow down progress or limit progress by adding in a removal cost for anything over level 3.

Makes no sense to me at all.

in fact this favors the player who outspends the other players instead of keeping things competitive.

Heres a real game example of how not having the cost to remove would benefit me a VIP4

Theres about 10 -15 so players on server 1 I can absolutely not beat in PvP ...YET

But you know some of those players I can beat in scores in LAB. I can consistently get 700 points and earn myself a level 4 chip.

Now if I could get a few a day and put those on and power up a little at a time, Then out of those 10-15 players I could start beating a couple, and as time goes on i could remove the level 4 chips for free and merge them into 5s then 6s etc

And since being a VIP has no benefit for the chips in LAB... The same thing can happen for ANYONE.

Now even if they remove the cost to remove chips. Lets figure this out just a bit

Say you can spend the gems and do 4 lab runs a day and get 4 level 4 chips a day, and 2 from WB a day

Thats 6 a day - and i think my grand children will be dead before I could earn enough to make a level 15 chip at that rate

So why do we need a removal cost??

[Klepto]

You're assuming a lot, pie scoop. Obviously I don't think level 4 is the highest chip, otherwise why would we even be talking about the cost of removal? I have already written that I think the removal cost doubling every chip level is too steep, but there should be a significant barrier to removing that level 4 (and above). You are just shouting gimme gimme gimme without even trying to understand the points other people are making.

It's very simple. WB was allowing people to rise too fast. They earned it, but the problem was, once one person earned it, there was very little chance for anyone else to earn it, because the reward for earning it made it easier to earn the next day and every other day after that. The devs want more people to have a chance, so that the people stay in the game. This should be obvious to you by seeing the final blow change and the plan drop change. The chip removal cost seems to be designed, from the beginning, to slow the people who loaded up on level 4s (and we are talking about level 4s because that's what the reward in wb is) is that they have to actually think ahead when embedding their level 4 chips - Do I want to blow my load on all these level 4s now, or do I want to maybe have some patience now in exchange for reward later, and wait until I synthetize (Tynon's word) some level 5s or higher later? Now, especially with the lab changes, if you someone is patient they might acquire some level 5s and gain an advantage over the person who has been lording the level 4s over them.

Obviously you are now wishing you had waited for some level 5s. Sorry, you can't have your cake and eat it too.

Having level 4 chips is not a guarantee for winning first in World Bosses, especially because only three out of the seven level 4 chips actually grant you any offensive capability for those bosses. Defensive chips grant you nothing, and herein lies the problem with your argument.

Your explanation, while sounding nice on the surface, doesn't actually address any real problem. You could get defensive chips for two weeks in a row and have zero damage increase from those chips, and someone could easily overtake you in that time for first place.

Given that and my previous explanation on the incredible slowdown that occurs over time with power gains from chips, I reject your explanation for why this supposed barrier makes sense (not even counting the fact this barrier existed before World Bosses were even an issue). It doesn't make sense and it's simply baldfaced greed.

[PieScoop]

You're assuming a lot, pie scoop. Obviously I don't think level 4 is the highest chip, otherwise why would we even be talking about the cost of removal? I have already written that I think the removal cost doubling every chip level is too steep, but there should be a significant barrier to removing that level 4 (and above). You are just shouting gimme gimme gimme without even trying to understand the points other people are making.

It's very simple. WB was allowing people to rise too fast. They earned it, but the problem was, once one person earned it, there was very little chance for anyone else to earn it, because the reward for earning it made it easier to earn the next day and every other day after that. The devs want more people to have a chance, so that the people stay in the game. This should be obvious to you by seeing the final blow change and the plan drop change. The chip removal cost seems to be designed, from the beginning, to slow the people who loaded up on level 4s (and we are talking about level 4s because that's what the reward in wb is) is that they have to actually think ahead when embedding their level 4 chips - Do I want to blow my load on all these level 4s now, or do I want to maybe have some patience now in exchange for reward later, and wait until I synthetize (Tynon's word) some level 5s or higher later? Now, especially with the lab changes, if you someone is patient they might acquire some level 5s and gain an advantage over the person who has been lording the level 4s over them.

Obviously you are now wishing you had waited for some level 5s. Sorry, you can't have your cake and eat it too.

no...chip wise WB doesnt speed it up enough,you fail to understand the actual situation of chips. in a month or so. it will be all about chips for power,then you'll be sitting there for months and years on end not getting much power raising because the chip gain is soo slow you wont possibly reach a cap for them. 5's and 4 chips are small game and dont make a massive difference over the people with 3's formation can make the largest difference.

[RiverBummer]

TYnon is definately beeing greedy with the removal fee and is exploiting the lack of game documentation to entrap people. I have never seen a more entrapping game than this one.

[lekash_9763782]

It is also poorly done. When embedding, there is no warning that this cost will happen. Most other places, where there will be some cost, (even trivial) Are you sure you want to spend 2 gems to fry this gerbil?
Or something of that nature comes up. I agree that having a cost for it is not good, especially for the lower level players, but at least be consistent on the notification paths.

[Andy]

It is also poorly done. When embedding, there is no warning that this cost will happen. Most other places, where there will be some cost, (even trivial) Are you sure you want to spend 2 gems to fry this gerbil?
Or something of that nature comes up. I agree that having a cost for it is not good, especially for the lower level players, but at least be consistent on the notification paths.

Strange. I get a warning with the cost.

[RiverBummer]

Strange. I get a warning with the cost.

Strange that you would make such an absurd statement. There's no warning up front that the un-embed will require a gem fee starting at level 4. It's a sneaky CHANGE in PARADIGM that good ethics and morality would necessitate they tell people up front. Complete change in expectations. We call that product and service entrapment in the class action law suits...

[Herby]

Strange that you would make such an absurd statement. There's no warning up front that the un-embed will require a gem fee starting at level 4. It's a sneaky CHANGE in PARADIGM that good ethics and morality would necessitate they tell people up front. Complete change in expectations. We call that product and service entrapment in the class action law suits...

Strange. I get a warning with the cost as well. Every time.

[RiverBummer]

Strange. I get a warning with the cost as well. Every time.

You get a warning that it will cost 100 gems to remove it once embedded? I have not tried it in a while but when I first started doing it there was no warning. You only got a notice when you went to remove it.