Just how much of the game is predetermined?

[Deucalion]

ok folks

STOP

you can figure out your what a guild chest will give you, the item you get is predetermined

Its a proven fact. Dawn has admitted it. Plenty of threads discussing it already.

The point of this thread is how much of the game is predetermined and how is it predetermined

I'm interesting in knowing even a few of the player controlled factors. I think we have have pretty much come to a reasonable conclusion that most if not all of this game is built upon predetermined actions. So far, I only know of two solid factors controlled by players. Coining and Time Spent Playing. Those play a role, if even indirectly. What I'd like to know goes much deeper. I think Matt is on the same trail. The crusher here is to find out that we have absolutely no control in determining any outcomes at all... lol

[Klepto]

All that you really have control over is leveling your gear through the Blacksmith, increasing your Talent levels, gaining items or currency through the Labyrinth shop with tokens (Spirit items are best), obtaining heroes with Spirits through the Tavern, and obtaining rune experience through the Rune Temple. You also have some control over your destiny in daily/weekly events through boosting, but that only goes so far and is also luck-based (It can take up to 1.5-2 million credits to boost to 80%).

Everything else on top of that is luck. Landing heroes in the Tavern without spirits, getting Fragments or Yellow runes, getting extra tokens or 500+ Labyrinth scores, getting plans for gear...All luck. Even the rewards from questing are all luck.

In other words, focus your investments on what you have control over and consider everything else a happy bonus. Also, don't throw anything away. Materials save you Stamina. Yellow runes you don't need now can be useful later. Anytime you get lucky, DON'T miss the opportunity. This game is still evolving so even if a hero today isn't all that great, don't pass up that Card you lucked out on landing. Get it. Even if you fail, you're not spitting in the face of opportunity, which is even worse than failing by trying.

[Boroeast]

Is it really that important if it's predetermined or not?
I personally don't care if it's or isn't , instead of arguing here and discuss things that are OBVIOUS, why not play the game?

Trust me-It will make your play game easier.

[mattp169]

Is it really that important if it's predetermined or not?
I personally don't care, instead of arguing here and discuss things that are OBVIOUS, why not play the game?

Trust me-It will make your play game easier.

If we have over some of the predeterminations then yes it is worth worrying about because that changes how you play. Lets say hypothetically that if you land a card in tavern and pass on it, that this action decreases the likely hood of that hero being picked again, then that is worth knowing. Because that could also increase the chances of a different hero being picked.

And scoring 500+ on lab is not luck based. 800+ is luck based. 500-730 is skill based

[Klepto]

And scoring 500+ on lab is not luck based. 800+ is luck based. 500-730 is skill based

I disagree. Even if you do everything right you can still hit a string of "You lost 4 moves" with Destiny tiles and wind up under 500 points. I have it happen off and on even following all the supposed tricks for completing the Labyrinth, and I'm usually 600+ on my scores. Crap happens.

[mattp169]

I disagree. Even if you do everything right you can still hit a string of "You lost 4 moves" with Destiny tiles and wind up under 500 points. I have it happen off and on even following all the supposed tricks for completing the Labyrinth, and I'm usually 600+ on my scores. Crap happens.

Never had a score below 500 on live server except when trying out new levels of lab to see if i can make it through them. In fact I only score below 600 when im having a bad day or just don't care

[Klepto]

Never had a score below 500 on live server except when trying out new levels of lab to see if i can make it through them. In fact I only score below 600 when im having a bad day or just don't care

Perhaps your luck there is better than mine. I know from past threads that my luck is better with certain areas of the game than yours. That doesn't mean our good fortune in these areas isn't luck, however. The Labyrinth can quickly screw you over based on its layout and what a tile gives you.

[Andy]

Never had a score below 500 on live server except when trying out new levels of lab to see if i can make it through them. In fact I only score below 600 when im having a bad day or just don't care

I have when all the destinies were loose moves or go back and got very few pits. I guess I am not as lucky as you.

[Boroeast]

If we have over some of the predeterminations then yes it is worth worrying about because that changes how you play. Lets say hypothetically that if you land a card in tavern and pass on it, that this action decreases the likely hood of that hero being picked again, then that is worth knowing. Because that could also increase the chances of a different hero being picked.

And scoring 500+ on lab is not luck based. 800+ is luck based. 500-730 is skill based

Why would you worry about that? Do you really have to worry about it? Doesn't it make your game experience less enjoyable? Why stress little things such as this?
I'm pretty sure 90% of all of the games like Tynon are predetermined as well as the % aren't always accurate- When you fail a Saint at 90%.
Well, been there done that, I'm also a player like you, and in fact we're in the same server, and we play together.Lol.

I just ignore many of this little things...

[xxdannisouthxx_7889427]

Is it really that important if it's predetermined or not?
I personally don't care, instead of arguing here and discuss things that are OBVIOUS, why not play the game?

Trust me-It will make your play game easier.

I think the point people are making is that knowing to what extent things are predetermined would impact HOW they play the game.

There's very few "gauranteed" investments in this game, and it's like walking down a road riddled with pot holes in the dark. For those of us not on the inside track, sharing knowledge with each other is the only torch to light our way.

It's easy to be flippant when you're part of the crew that has all the advantages and insider knowledge. Just remember that the majority of us are not in this category, and find these sorts of threads useful.