Patch Preview: New Heroes, New Skills, and a Grand Tournament!

[Herby]

Tynon needs to do something soon. We are loosing players because they are bored with the game and these changes have not happened. I am bored with the game and the only think that is keeping me there is the interaction with my guild members. These are the reasons that I am bored.

1. The next set of plans I need are Lightbringer Relics. I beat the Mud Giant last week and now fighting the Black Widow Queen. When I beat her, and it will probably be a while, I have to beat 2 more HR bosses to start getting the plans that I need. That could take a long time unless I can get extra power. Beating my head against the wall trying to beat her is not fun.
2. I can not get extra power because:
   
   1. Can not upgrade my equipment (see above)
   2. Can not embed higher jewels because all the sockets have level 4 jewels that cost 100 gems to remove and I refuse to pay that because there was no warning that it would happen when I embedded them and since there is no manual to tell you that the only way to find out is when I tried to remove one and by then it was too late.
   3. Upgrading the the star levels is a joke. I managed to get all my heroes to 8 stars but whenever I tried to go to nine it fails. I have spent a lot of gems on blue medals (have bought over 300 since trying to upgrade my main to 9 stars) and I refuse to spend any more unless there is a better chance to actually get there. Even if I did, the extra power you get is not much.
   4. My heroes are at least Saint V. To upgrade their saint level I need cards and to do that I need to click on the tavern a lot and maybe, if I am lucky, get a card or two each week that I can actually use and most of the time the upgrade fails. Clicking on the tavern is not my idea of fun.
   5. I can upgrade my runes but to do that I have to do a lot of clicking at the rune temple. Clicking at the Rune temple is not my idea of fun.
   6. In the quests I am up to Pursuer that I can not beat because I do not have enough power and can not get it because of the reasons expressed above. In any case the extra power you get for advancing in the quest is not much.
   7. Up leveling gives you a little more power but to get the experience you have to either grind (not fun) or train (not fun).
   8. Waiting for the blacksmith queues to cool down so that I can start the next upgrade is not fun.
   
   
3. Guild Wars is a joke. Our Guild holds all the cities and when we get a challenge is just a matter of garrison B and march on A. Not fun.
4. The arena is a joke. All the top rank players are in my Guild. I am the 2nd strongest player in my Guild so there is no real competition. Doing mindless fighting is not fun. In any case the rewards are useless except when I occasional get Gems as stakes.
5. Cerberus and Baal are a joke. Auto fighting to get plans that I can not use and Jewels that I can not use (see above). Not fun.
6. Rag is a joke. Nothing to do but watch endless battles. Not fun.
7. The lab is the only place that I can get plans to upgrade my equipment, but doing the lab is tedious. Watching the fights against the lab monsters that always end the same way, is not fun. I do have to admit that trying to make it to the end with the most point is some what challenging, but you can only do it twice a day without paying Gems.
8. The Caribbean is a joke. you board a boat and hope that you do not get sunk (only 3 players in my server can sink me). Not fun.
9. Tying to find players that I can attack in the wild to attack is tedious and there are not that many players that I can attack. Not fun.
10. Chasing the lady tedious and the rewards are not worth it. Definitely not fun.
11. Heaven Palace is only once a week and the way that the power uplifts are for each level makes it impossible to get to the highest level. In my server the highest rank player is way ahead of any one else and she can not beat herself to get to the top. Not fun.

So why should I keep on playing the game when it is not fun?

1. You're even lucky you got the Light sword, staff, chest, helmet and cloak plans for free. Think about the others who were not level 80 when they changed the way plans drop in world boss.

2. Power is not an accurate measure of capability. It is only a general gauge of an account's overall achievements. Look past the power numbers and focus on increasing your hero stats instead (damage, health, defense, etc)

3. Realm wars is a lot more exciting.

4. Switch realms and fight their arena.

5. You shouldn't have socketed all your level 4 jewels right away. Or just swallow your pride and fork the 100 gems to replace them.

6. Try to beat my 30 kill streak.

7. Try to finish Act 2 Hard. I dare you.

8. Try to sink those 3 who can sink you.

9. Attack during world boss. You'll find a lot of players there.

10. Just stay in one spot and wait for her to appear.

11. Levels 8, 9 and 10 of the palace all give out card rewards generously. Aim for those.


"Fun" is subjective. It's up to you to make your game "fun". I'm sure you're grown enough to be able to do that.

[Andy]

The problem is that it did not use to be that way. It was a challenging game. Now it is a frustrating game because there is very little I can do to upgrade my power because I do not have enough power to do the things that I have to do to upgrade my power. It is a vicious circle. On my guild we have lost 4 of the top 10 players because it became so boring. I know of other players in my server that have also quit because of the same issue.

I do not want the HR Bosses not to be difficult to beat. Then there would not be any challenge in the game. My complain is that the game does not give me a way to gain the power to beat the bosses in a reasonable time. It took me 3 weeks to beat the Mud Giant. It looks like it will be at least that for the Spider and even longer for the next two according to what I read in the forum. That is over two months before I will be able to even start trying to get the Lightbringer Relic plans that I need, and we all know that the drop rate for relic plans is very low.

The only two reasons that I do not quit all together is because of the interaction with the Guild members in the chat, and with them dropping that is becoming less of an incentive, and the thousands of dollars that I have invested in the game (VIP8+).

On your suggestions

1. True, and if the game had started that way it would not be a problem because it would have not created the imbalance that exists today. The fixes for that have created the problem for the higher level players because of the need to sow them down so the the lower level players can catch up. Trying to beat HR bosses when I will get nothing from it is very frustrating.
2. True, but you still need the raw power to be able to beat the HR bosses. Formation can only do so much. Most of my runes are at level 9 or 10 with a very few 8s. I also have 4 'super yellow' runes and they are either 9 or 10. getting the runes to upgrade the ones I have and the spirits to buy the 'super yellow' is mindless clicking and luck. I do not get enjoyment doing that.
3. Realm wars are not available to us so what is the point.
4. If I switch realms then I loose all my friends in the Guild. Even if I do that what would be the fun of watching innumerable battle scenes fighting players that are not challenging?
5. I would not have socketed them if I had known that there was a extremely stiff penalty to remove them. How was I supposed to know that until I tried to remove one? That is one of my biggest complains with the game. I also lost over 2000 gems when I clicked on Quick Merge once because I did not know what it did and it created a level 4 jewel that I could have bought at the Fair for 130 gems. When I asked for them back I got no response.
6. I do not know what you mean by "Try to beat my 30 kill streak".
7. What I refuse to go to the higher levels of the Lab until they make the rewards better based on the difficulty. It is a matter of principle for me. In any case looking at the battle scenes time after time is a waste of time. If they had an option to suppress them I would consider it.
8. There is no way I can sink them. With some one sailing with them it becomes impossible. One I can not do at all. She is 22 mil power above me. the other two are 5 mill above me and I could possible steal a map from the shore but then they would get a revenge on me. I do not keep my 'pockets' empty so that I have the credits and coins for Tuesdays and Thursdays so giving some one a revenge is not an option.
9. I will not attack during WB. I consider that to be unfair. The players are defenseless because they van not move or leave during the battle scene. The same is true while in a battle in HR.
10. And what is the fun in that? Staring at the screen for one hour and maybe getting 1 mil coins? You you to be kidding.
11. With a player that is 22 mil above me the best I can do is get to the Gold level but not finish it. I have only gotten one card from HP and that was on level 10 when that player stepped down one week. I usually get coins or credits. If I ever got a Calvin card in the lower level it wold be worthless because he already is a 1/2 Angel V and can go no higher.

[DaBooMan]

You only need to spend an hour on the game to complete the daily tasks, Click auto run baal cerb, click a pirate ship, garrison B hit A, Click Auto Fight in Rag, And ur left with about 45 mins to Do a Lab, Then u have 23 hours to Sleep, Eat, Wash, Play a more organised Game, Work.. S o the game not offering up much is not our fault that we seek more interactive games.
Right Now GTA and my Guildies makes this game bearable.
The lack of content just goes to show how much they really care.
And dawn b4 u mention the weekly events they were rushed because they are huge money makers and dont really offer much up to the higher level players just the noobs trying to catch them.

[christinanoeldner_7586947]

Hello Dawn. I do have a question. I am in server 13 Breath of Hydra. I am wondering why is it that when ever Tynon adds another Server or puts in a new patch that we have so many glitches in the game playing. Like is Guild Warfare. We can't even move. It takes about 5 or 6 rounds before we either get unfrozen or we have to refresh during GW. The same is for the Lady Hunt. It would be really nice if we could have these things running properly. Seeing as there are paying customers on this server. I know that they have been upset about and they do voice their frustrations. I do hope that in the future that you will remember us older servers and that we do play and pay for you to have more servers.

Thank you for listening and hope that the problems can be resolved.

[Herby]

You only need to spend an hour on the game to complete the daily tasks, Click auto run baal cerb, click a pirate ship, garrison B hit A, Click Auto Fight in Rag, And ur left with about 45 mins to Do a Lab, Then u have 23 hours to Sleep, Eat, Wash, Play a more organised Game, Work.. S o the game not offering up much is not our fault that we seek more interactive games.
Right Now GTA and my Guildies makes this game bearable.
The lack of content just goes to show how much they really care.
And dawn b4 u mention the weekly events they were rushed because they are huge money makers and dont really offer much up to the higher level players just the noobs trying to catch them.

I do 3 to 4 labyrinth passes a day, so i don't see how spending an hour on the game daily can complete that.

I'm pretty sure you do more than one labyrinth run per day, looking at your lab top scores and your spirit equipment.

[mattp169]

Andy
After black widow elite is tracker elite which gives the same plans as black widow queen, So you have an extra boss to get past to get to your relics, just like me.

Morgan
I agree bosses should be hard. However When you can reach pursuer around 11m power but need 21m power to beat it, and have to wait a month or so to get the extra 10m power, something seems out of balance to me

[avalontracer_3661413]

I dont follow the forums on a daily basis, just come have a look once a week or so. And what sticks out the most is the pure lack on interaction from Tynon reps(not the mods since they have, ad nauseum, stated that they are NOT tynon reps). Dawn drops a post once in a while and we all think, hurrah!! our prayers have been heared only for him/her to poof ninjastyle not to be seen for days or weeks.

Now i fully understand that some things take time and that there isnt much news to report to us but for heavens sake, at least take 5 seconds to make a post showing youre still alive.

I used to play a game from a chineese developer and thier customer service was appaling, but right now Tynon is having a serious go at taking over that nr 1 spot. I think its ridiculous that a company which has at least 2 dev teams doesnt have at least 2 people for communication to their players/customers.

A lot of people have spend thousands on this game and have gotten so little in return. Quite a few are lvl 100 and they dont have any content, gear upgrades or rune upgrades(tho one can say that lvl 90 rune is endgame and after that its gear based). I recall dawn stating that the dev team work with an active rolloutsystem(cant remember the exact name) which entails that they can implement new content on a very short turnover...seems that even that is becomming a challenge, since weve been waiting for quite a while for any content, bugfixes and other problems to be solved.

And all along Tynon are spamming our inboxes with the fantastic news that yet again the servers are full so we need a new server. Im sorry but i dont buy that anymore. Servers might be full since they only have 3 realms with 50 people per realm, thats hardly full imo...

So after all my grief how could tynon improve?
1. At least tell us theres no news, or that the ppl in charge are on it and will implement the bugfixes/patch asap.
2. If Tynon doesnt like a suggestion we make, give us feedback on that.
3. Stimulate existing servers/players to keep playing.
4. Even if the new patch is still a long way down the road at least fix the exisiting bugs(GW anyone?)
5. Quit spamming us with new servers at least untill you have the previous points covered.

[Revan]

So after all my grief how could tynon improve?
1. At least tell us theres no news, or that the ppl in charge are on it and will implement the bugfixes/patch asap.
2. If Tynon doesnt like a suggestion we make, give us feedback on that.
3. Stimulate existing servers/players to keep playing.
4. Even if the new patch is still a long way down the road at least fix the exisiting bugs(GW anyone?)
5. Quit spamming us with new servers at least untill you have the previous points covered.

1. From my experience when players are told there is no news they tend to get annoyed that the company even bothered to tell them.
2. If the devs told players that they didn't like ideas frequently players would be discouraged from trying to come up with similar ideas that would be more workable and also a lot of ideas get put out there.
3.I doubt we'll see much of that aside from the whole tournament thing and even that may not have much effect.
4.Agreed, can't even tell whether round 1 was won or lost for a few minutes at least.
5.They're not going to, there is more money in opening new servers because players will want to get the most the early vip levels and get ahead. After that, the amount spent goes down unless they have promotions which tynon doesn't.

[DaBooMan]

I do 3 to 4 labyrinth passes a day, so i don't see how spending an hour on the game daily can complete that.

I'm pretty sure you do more than one labyrinth run per day, looking at your lab top scores and your spirit equipment.

I was just saying how you dont have to sit at this game all day, people who sit at it for longer periods of time do so because they want too, the rest is pretty automated, i like to win so i do what i can to be somewhere near the top, only reason i sit and play.

I set lil goals like try gettin over 700 in lab atleast once a day, scoring over 40m damage in a world boss. But sadly thats the only goals i can set, since there aint much more left at this moment in time.

[Wildflower]

This game is testing my patience and stamina.
Guilds and servers are getting less and less active.

I hope the new stuff comes soon and will provide a bit of a boost, but I am afraid it won't be enough to keep us entertained long.