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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellion View Post
    Specifically which quest hero did you defeat to unlock the reserve slot?
    That is General Mulan Hellion. Beat her to get the first reserve slot open.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellion View Post
    Specifically which quest hero did you defeat to unlock the reserve slot?
    General Mulan, the first gold boss in the royal arena.

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    Don't forget the slots for runes need opening.. at the same price. The slots for chips for gear need opening, still gems only!! You will need the stamina to hit the HRs for the gear, stamina, to grind for the gear, more stamina, and continue your advancement in current game. More stamina for labs, (no free one yet even tho we have the buff), and fewer tokens won (as was made harder to slow us up). For those who currently need 280 stamina PER GEAR (justice), and still work for spirit plans.. well.. i for one am discouraged by the amt of stamina needed to even think of getting ready for this. In that regard, i hope they take their sweet time in beta.

    This is good, in that it will definitely lengthen the game, but it will be very costly.... people have not really added it all up yet. And don't forget the gold and credits its eating up. WHEW A bit overwhelming. Oh yeah, and gold to earn new runes for heroes we're not sure what they need yet. I'm sure i'm forgetting more.......

    Perhaps we can get Devs to consider a double stamina day in place of the chests hardly anyone buys any more for Wednesdays?? How about that Devs? Kinda like Sunday training day. We can call it HumpDay, getting over the hump of the stamina drain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisChief View Post
    Don't forget the slots for runes need opening.. at the same price. The slots for chips for gear need opening, still gems only!! You will need the stamina to hit the HRs for the gear, stamina, to grind for the gear, more stamina, and continue your advancement in current game. More stamina for labs, (no free one yet even tho we have the buff), and fewer tokens won (as was made harder to slow us up). For those who currently need 280 stamina PER GEAR (justice), and still work for spirit plans.. well.. i for one am discouraged by the amt of stamina needed to even think of getting ready for this. In that regard, i hope they take their sweet time in beta.

    This is good, in that it will definitely lengthen the game, but it will be very costly.... people have not really added it all up yet. And don't forget the gold and credits its eating up. WHEW A bit overwhelming. Oh yeah, and gold to earn new runes for heroes we're not sure what they need yet. I'm sure i'm forgetting more.......

    Perhaps we can get Devs to consider a double stamina day in place of the chests hardly anyone buys any more for Wednesdays?? How about that Devs? Kinda like Sunday training day. We can call it HumpDay, getting over the hump of the stamina drain.
    Actually the mysterious chests will probably be at least somewhat more useful on Wednesdays with the new coin and credit bonuses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herby View Post
    I've finally defeated the quest hero required to unlock a substitute in the Beta version.
    So, how will this new feature change the game?
    Any thoughts, comments, suggestions, or strategy insights?

    - The substitute automatically replaces the first hero in a fight that dies
    - It pops up in the same place in formation that the hero died in.
    - Also, the substitute needs to have its own runes and equipment.
    - The substitute doesn't attack the round it pops in. It attacks in the next round.

    These are what I've observed so far.
    The only problem is the battle is already predetemined and why reserves if you can only field 5 heroes at a time. Most NPCs only have 5 enemies, so having extra heroes would make it too easy. Also the bigger players will be too overpowered. What chance has anyone going to have against a 5:8 ratio.

    Personally I think you will eventually 5 heroes you use and 3 you can swap with for various opponents allowing you to change your build to suit that battle. I believe it's for ease of form change, rather than 'extra' heroes in battle.

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    From what i observed of the reserve heros, they do drop in the battle as soon as you lose one. With the proper heros, you can get that last hit, or little extra push you need. I also believe that how it is set up at the start of battle determines the outcome, so that "predetermined result" included any reserve heroes. And the other person has the same opportunity. I see this as a big plus in HR and quest. There is no time to change anything, they literally drop in the middle of battle. So does the enemy have them.
    Last edited by Morgan le Fay; 11-25-2013 at 05:26 PM.

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    Yes. I have one in my reserve. This was my observation from my own experience. It even dropped in during banish. Until i took it out. This is not speculation or assumption.

    And about the Wed chests purchases, BETA still can't buy gems, so using 100 on a chest is a rare sight indeed. And it remains to be seen how this may affect live, but from all i have heard and discussed with fellow players, they'd rather have stamina.
    Last edited by MisChief; 11-25-2013 at 12:31 AM.

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    The reserve hero even jumps in during final hit in banish and because the boss has already done the final strike the reserve hero gets 2 hits.

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    Herb, MisChief, would you guys say it's safe to just work on 1 new gear set for now or should we do all 3? seen as we only open up extra space as we prolong, im thinking working on 1 extra set of gears and runes will be enough to hold me over till the the patch is live etc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenly View Post
    Herb, MisChief, would you guys say it's safe to just work on 1 new gear set for now or should we do all 3? seen as we only open up extra space as we prolong, im thinking working on 1 extra set of gears and runes will be enough to hold me over till the the patch is live etc...
    I think levelling 1 set of gear would be the best course of action for now, or until the patch goes live.

    Guardian or ironheart set would be a good level to target.

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