Break / Mage

[BloodSucker_8338630]

I have seen shayd block but not smoulder med or any other mages, smoulder can probably block too i guess

[Pirate_1360826]

Has no one else tested this? Sheesh, it's been said time and time again. I will state it again for those who don't bother to search the forums/test things out for themselves.

BLOCK works against mages -- it doesn't "block" the whole spell like it would for a physical attack, but it REDUCES SPELL DAMAGE. Therefore, BREAK on a mage reduces the enemy's block rating, INCREASING the mage's spell damage (assuming the enemy unit had BLOCK to begin with). If the enemy unit does not have BLOCK, then BREAK won't help the mage in any way.

[Revan]

Just tested the damage. And damage range was the same. Average damage was about the same with or without break. That leads me to conclude that either break does not affect damage output or I did not have high enough break or perhaps block does not reduce magic damage every time.

Also I did search the forums and I could only find one reference to what you are talking about Pirate.

[Rocco]

Just tested the damage. And damage range was the same. Average damage was about the same with or without break. That leads me to conclude that either break does not affect damage output or I did not have high enough break or perhaps block does not reduce magic damage every time.

Also I did search the forums and I could only find one reference to what you are talking about Pirate.

Pirate and the rest of the posters are just full of it. None of their claims are supported by proper and sufficient data (if any at all. I'm sure most is just hearsay). Resistance/Block does NOT reduce magic damage. Atks inflict a damage range, so you need gather enough damage numbers and find the average before you can make a comparison. Twenty samples should be enough. All other conditions must be identical.

Some people speculated that break helps Shayd's stun rates. Again, no numbers to back it up. There has been no evidence to date to suggest that block or break affects mages in any way whatsoever.

[Pirate_1360826]

Pirate and the rest of the posters are just full of it. None of their claims are supported by proper and sufficient data (if any at all. I'm sure most is just hearsay). Resistance/Block does NOT reduce magic damage. Atks inflict a damage range, so you need gather enough damage numbers and find the average before you can make a comparison. Twenty samples should be enough. All other conditions must be identical.

Some people speculated that break helps Shayd's stun rates. Again, no numbers to back it up. There has been no evidence to date to suggest that block or break affects mages in any way whatsoever.

Testing this will take all of 5 minutes. Why not try it for yourself?

Go into arena, hit a friend a number of times with nothing but your main and a mage (for simplicity). Afterwards, do the same but ask your friend to remove their block rune. See the damage increase? Good, step one is finished.

Step two: do the EXACT same test, both parts, except have a break rune on your mage. The damage before and after the block rune will not have changed in this scenario, unlike the first.

NOTE: make sure your friend in not changing their formation, so that each time you cast the spell it is on the same hero so that numbers will not be botched due to magic resistance differences.

[BloodSucker_8338630]

yeah can someone just answer th equestion?

[Revan]

I saw the damage reduction from the block rune, but the break rating didn't seem to be counteracting the block rating (125 break vs 121 block) or if it was the change was negligible.

[BloodSucker_8338630]

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[ChickenWing]

Testing this will take all of 5 minutes. Why not try it for yourself?

Go into arena, hit a friend a number of times with nothing but your main and a mage (for simplicity). Afterwards, do the same but ask your friend to remove their block rune. See the damage increase? Good, step one is finished.

Step two: do the EXACT same test, both parts, except have a break rune on your mage. The damage before and after the block rune will not have changed in this scenario, unlike the first.

NOTE: make sure your friend in not changing their formation, so that each time you cast the spell it is on the same hero so that numbers will not be botched due to magic resistance differences.

I just tested it and what you claim is completely untrue. I asked a friend to put block on her main, and had my mage hit her. I noted down the scores, which were always from 10,000 to 11,000. When my friend removed her block rune, I tested it out again and the damage range was the same.

I AM A MYTHBUSTER! The break rune seems useless on a mage for the simple reason that block does not mitigate magic damage.

[ChickenWing]

This remains to be tested, if anyone is up for it:

The reason you see an increased success in outcome when adding it to a mage for fighting npc bosses is the fact that npc bosses actually quite often block mages. Break reduces that chance ofc. At least this is my experience.