Minister Lascivius (elite heroics)

[Herby]

Minister Lasc and Firelord Ignis were always big hurdles to those players who fought them pre-patch.


Those who killed those bosses first did not have bloodstorm in their lineups at all. Blood was only added to the hero lineup a few weeks after.
We did not have Thorsday back then. There were no gem saturdays. No training sundays. No tavern tuesdays.


Do not look down on players who achieved a lot in the game pre-patch. The game was a lot harder for us back then.
I was personally stuck at Minister lasc for 3 weeks, and Firelord Ignis for 1 week, before finally clearing them out.


Do you know how easy the patch made things for players now?
Plaguelord Elite was a seemingly impossible boss to fight in heroic realm pre-patch.
Now, some players can even accidentally kill him just for the assistant quest.

[Andy]

i totally agree with you. Defensive talents should be much more effective.
But reducing Minister Lascivious's power is stupid idea, if it's happened, then anytime some players get stuck at heroic bosses, they come and complain ... i hve 23m power, working on Veleno, should i complain that that creature is tough ????
a child can imagine what kind of thing this game will become .

Actually Veleno is another one that is in the same situation. With Cia and Sha nerfed the way that we were beating him no longer works. I am 43m power and can not beat him.

[smokingfox]

Actually Veleno is another one that is in the same situation. With Cia and Sha nerfed the way that we were beating him no longer works. I am 43m power and can not beat him.

then clearly u need to change tactic.. i beat it @ 28m... before patch and well i have not tried after.. maybe i will i have been getting cloaks for 3 weeks now -.-

[Andy]

then clearly u need to change tactic.. i beat it @ 28m... before patch and well i have not tried after.. maybe i will i have been getting cloaks for 3 weeks now -.-

Exactly my point. After the patch it is the same situation as the Minister.

[Morgan le Fay]

The situation is this; before the patch switching (or using both) Calvin and Cianna in conjunction with Shayd usually did the trick with most Heroic bosses. Now there are much wider selection of heroes and stratgeries, some of which I used. Great with using more of the grey matter, but and there is a 'but' you still need to get a fair few stuns in to beat'em. Since Cianna and even Thucydides tend to be pretty unreliable (there are good reasons for this) its incredibly difficult.

One of guildies commented yesterday that before the patch he'd beaten Lasvicius, not easily but without the difficulty he now has. Now he's struggling and has yet to beat Lasvicius, not surprisingly he's feeling pretty fed up and he only has a few more relics to gain. It's taken me over a week to beat Veleno again. I'm currently at 38m and it was hard work-yes I even used the new heroes...but I still need Shayd to stun enough times to take the boss out.

So it's very easy to tell others that they need to use the new heroes, when your're the one sitting on full 6 set Lightbringers(+) as this patch benefitted you no end. For us lesser mortals who don't spend that much time or money (by the way before the 'VIP's are cheats' crowd descends, spending money on this or any other game is a personal choice and not anyone's business other than the person and their flexible friend. After all without them you wouldn't have the option to play free of charge) who as yet don't have LB 6 sets, who find it difficult to scrap up the 12m coins for transfer and the (up to) 18m credits to open rune slots.

Might be more helpful if you tried to find formations that would assist rather than look down on them.

[mattp169]

I dont think any one is looking down on anyone.
heres the issue imo.
The best most cunning players had the advantage pre patch. And therefor are not having as many issues now. SO they have not had to figure out the same thinsg others are now being forced to figure out like Minister Lasc. And there is probably a solution with the new heroes, but noone has come up with it or to have the new heroes be effective you need a slightly different approach to the game form dyay 1, and since we arent at day 1 its going to take a few weeks to get things in line for the new heroes. I do think the people with LB sets have an extreme advantage post patch. And this was not thought out all the way. Or they were trying to get this patch out before so many people got 6pc LB sets, but werent fast enough. I do believe it is now slightly harder to get to 6pc lb sets. BUT the devs may have put something in place to make it this way, or to make it so you had to use something no one has posted yet.

I mean MOrgan is saying it used to be use calvin and cianna. I never used calvin before in HR. Never really occurred to me that he would be useful. Yet I had 6pc Lb sets pre patch. Maybe it would have been easier with Calvin, I dont know. Just shows there is more then one way to skin a cat. Someone is going to figure it out at the lower levels. There are still many very good and cunning players in this game who have not progressed as far as those who have beaten almost everything.

[Morgan le Fay]

Never used Calvin myself in HR but plenty have with great effect. Remember not everyone can either recruit or afford to replace heroes willy nilly and so might have a limited selection. This is the vibe I'm getting from some of the guys who are trying to get the Ironheart Relic. We can advise which ones are worth the limited res these guys have, rather than say 'just use the new heroes'.

Amhose Nekhmet
General Alcibiades
Destroyer Herja

Are usually good bets, you can also try Queen Pen, Mulan and Lancelot. Cianna and Thcy no matter what is said here are difficult to use on pre-LB and aren't likely to give you enough stuns to do the job. So that leaves you with one stunner, Shayd.

The form I used with Veleno, 1 stunner and Herja as a sub to lower the morale after a couple of rounds

Blood Alci Leader
x x Adam
x x Shayd

Anyways something to work with there.

[Subliminal]

Advice rather than ridicule is certainly most welcome.

I'm stuck on Mulan, HR Lascivius and Mud Giant. I expect I will be for quite some time. Pre-patch, I felt each day as I raised my power, I was making some (even small) headway and looking forward to the challenge of trying to figure out the best way to defeat these guys. Today, bleh. Whatever. Same nonsense, no progress despite spending on runes, talents and gear. Can't get plans. Nothing I do even makes a 50% dent in anything and hasn't since the patch. Looking at the replays, when they work, people are using old heroes and formation with old un-nerfed capabilities, so that's no help. I can use the identical formations, heroes and have the same power as the replay stuff and barely make a dent. So.

I don't mind working for it. I do need a little bit of a sense from day to day that I'm actually working toward something, however. And sitting for a month getting nowhere just really isn't fun. And, call me a purist, or old school, but I sort of think "fun" is a pre-requisite for a game.

[Rocco]

Don't have time atm to go into detail, but it comes down to this: stun = 100% damage mitigation. There's no other ability that provides that (you need very high dodge to even have a very small chance to dodge them).

[Rumbleguts]

Don't have time atm to go into detail, but it comes down to this: stun = 100% damage mitigation. There's no other ability that provides that (you can't dodge high level HR bosses either).

Which is half the problem, defensive stats work not at all or poorly vs higher end bosses, so the game becomes a matter of just grinding out offense. Making the play too one dimensional.