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    This is the problem....
    Sadly my point was missed. I never said I wanted the 2nd sub.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herby View Post
    I agree with Yelsha.

    Why are people asking for the 2nd sub slot anyway?

    What do you need them for?


    Banish will be terribly easy with 2 subs. So will quests and heroics.

    I feel that the 2nd sub should only be released when the difficulty is ramped up considerably to warrant their use.
    Not to mention, they will boost heroic bosses power again when 2nd subs are released. I don't want to have to fight Pursuer with a sub coming in casting AOE magic stun every round lol, let me get my last 2 Justice Heroic Bosses and grind out my Justice gear and get Khan and have 2nd sub gear ready and have enough power to even beat the boss to get my 2nd sub first lol. Releasing it now will just widen the gap between players like ExecDude and medium-sized coiners like myself. Not everybody is VIP8 with full Justice Sets and Lvl 99 weapons/spirits on Adam yet, with 2 extra sets of Justice/Judgment gear sitting in the bank ready to go. Some people complain that content is not released fast enough and that other people who haven't been playing as long and who can't coin as much are catching up. On the other hand, some people are busting ass trying to catch up as fast as they can, yet still see the gap between themselves and the top players widen very day. There needs to be a balance. Yes, people that coined and started playing from day 1 do deserve an advantage, and yes they should be stronger than others. Yet if the gap only widens at increasing speeds and other players can never catch up, then other people will have no point in even playing, and the top players will be stuck playing a game that nobody else plays. And I'm sure none of us want that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelsha View Post
    Not to mention, they will boost heroic bosses power again when 2nd subs are released. I don't want to have to fight Pursuer with a sub coming in casting AOE magic stun every round lol, let me get my last 2 Justice Heroic Bosses and grind out my Justice gear and get Khan and have 2nd sub gear ready and have enough power to even beat the boss to get my 2nd sub first lol. Releasing it now will just widen the gap between players like ExecDude and medium-sized coiners like myself. Not everybody is VIP8 with full Justice Sets and Lvl 99 weapons/spirits on Adam yet, with 2 extra sets of Justice/Judgment gear sitting in the bank ready to go. Some people complain that content is not released fast enough and that other people who haven't been playing as long and who can't coin as much are catching up. On the other hand, some people are busting ass trying to catch up as fast as they can, yet still see the gap between themselves and the top players widen very day. There needs to be a balance. Yes, people that coined and started playing from day 1 do deserve an advantage, and yes they should be stronger than others. Yet if the gap only widens at increasing speeds and other players can never catch up, then other people will have no point in even playing, and the top players will be stuck playing a game that nobody else plays. And I'm sure none of us want that.
    I agree 100% with you.

    I feel all the "top players" need to simmer down and cool their heels for a while. Take a chill pill. So much negativity in recent forum threads.

    Tynon isn't your life (I hope). Try to take a breather and wait for the others to catch up.

    There's a lot more middle-strength players who are busting ass to try and catch up. But these players rarely post in the forums.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herby View Post
    I agree 100% with you.

    I feel all the "top players" need to simmer down and cool their heels for a while. Take a chill pill. So much negativity in recent forum threads.

    Tynon isn't your life (I hope). Try to take a breather and wait for the others to catch up.

    There's a lot more middle-strength players who are busting ass to try and catch up. But these players rarely post in the forums.
    I'm one of those players! Hell, at this point all I want is my fist sub, don't even know how i'd feel if there was another sub to fight for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herby View Post
    I agree 100% with you.

    I feel all the "top players" need to simmer down and cool their heels for a while. Take a chill pill. So much negativity in recent forum threads.

    Tynon isn't your life (I hope). Try to take a breather and wait for the others to catch up.

    There's a lot more middle-strength players who are busting ass to try and catch up. But these players rarely post in the forums.

    I just don't understand that logic; wait for others to catch up?
    I think that is one of the main issues for some of us out there.
    We don't agree with the fact they are catching up.
    I find that logical if you spend money to increase the gap.
    If this was an issue for Tynon, I would have rather seen a cap on either the amount of gems one could buy or the amount of power one could gain within a certain time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildflower View Post
    I just don't understand that logic; wait for others to catch up?
    I think that is one of the main issues for some of us out there.
    We don't agree with the fact they are catching up.
    I find that logical if you spend money to increase the gap.
    If this was an issue for Tynon, I would have rather seen a cap on either the amount of gems one could buy or the amount of power one could gain within a certain time.
    Why do people need the feeling of overwhelming advantage to make them feel superior to others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildflower View Post
    I just don't understand that logic; wait for others to catch up?
    I think that is one of the main issues for some of us out there.
    We don't agree with the fact they are catching up.
    I find that logical if you spend money to increase the gap.
    If this was an issue for Tynon, I would have rather seen a cap on either the amount of gems one could buy or the amount of power one could gain within a certain time.
    Yes, I mentioned that top players don't want others to catch up. Their views do not reflect the majority of players. Some of the players on newer servers work hard to be the best on their servers and invest money into the game too. Maybe not as much as the top players, but still in the range of hundreds of hard-earned cash. If they have no hope of getting close to the top players, then they will stop paying and playing period. If nobody can catch up with the first 10 servers, then what is the point of even playing on a newer server? It is meaningless to be the best player on your server when you can never even catch up with rank 100 players on the oldest servers. Being at the top of the charts for a server is no consolation for getting stomped by a medium sized player from servers 1-10 triple your power in the 3rd Knockout round of CWF.

    Even with the time given to newer players to catch up, they can only narrow the gap, they will NEVER catch up. By the time we get our Judgment items and max our talents, runes, weapons, and spirits, the top players will have multiple 10+ star heroes and perfect sets of saints on all their main heroes. We don't expect to be able to beat you guys.. just at least be able to feel we are not getting completely roflstomped. Otherwise, we will all quit and the top players can play with themselves.

    We just want to be able to catch up in terms of game content and game progression/advancement. We can never hope to catch up in actual strength and power.

    ExecDude remains the only player past server 30 to break 100M power. A lot of players at the top of their servers are only 50-70M power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herby View Post
    Why do people need the feeling of overwhelming advantage to make them feel superior to others.
    Haha, why do you assume it has to do with that?
    I am never superior to others, nor less superior.
    This has nothing to do with that for me, but perhaps it is a good refelction of your own thoughts and feelings.

    Does competition make you feel superior to others when you win?
    Do you feel inferior when you are less powerful?

    @Yelsha; I am not concerned about what happens on other servers. I am glad to see people have fun there as well and grow.
    I am however concerned with my own server.
    Had I known that delays would have been put in place to keep the gap smaller between players, I would not have invested the money to gain it.
    Of course this is my responsibility, but I am sure you can see why someone would be getting irritated.
    If you bought a stereo for 3000 euros and your neighbour bought it the same day for about 500 from the same store, would you not complain?

    I still feel it is great that others are gaining power, I am happy for them when they do.
    However what I tend to want for others, I also want for myself. Progress in the game.
    Last edited by Wildflower; 02-04-2014 at 10:26 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildflower View Post
    I just don't understand that logic; wait for others to catch up?
    I think that is one of the main issues for some of us out there.
    We don't agree with the fact they are catching up.
    I find that logical if you spend money to increase the gap.
    If this was an issue for Tynon, I would have rather seen a cap on either the amount of gems one could buy or the amount of power one could gain within a certain time.
    Because of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herby View Post
    Because of this.
    As I said, must be a reflection of your own feelings of inferiority or superiority.
    For me that has nothing to do with what I am saying.

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