What a JOKE Championship Warfare has turned out to be.

[koja6049]

Just curious... what is the definition of an exploit? Because this 'doesn't break any rules', but takes advantage of the rules and obviously isn't the intended way of playing. Looking at the sailing exploit (I'll bring this up because it was resolved), there was no rule that you had to claim rewards right after you sailed, but we all know that was an exploit.

Then again, there is also powering down in HP and such... so I just want to know what counts and what doesn't.

They all count as exploits. But whether taking advantage of the exploit will be punished is considered case by case. Most of the exploits got fixed without having exploiters punished. Some of players get punished for exploits (e.g. Kyleena), and then the exploit gets fixed. So I think the CW exploit will be fixed sooner or later if it affects the bottomline.

[MisChief]

Seems to me that it is not against any rules, or ToS, as set up. To see this now just does take away from the whole point of CW. People are spending real money to build up to win, or get higher. The point is to see who is the best, not who is the best bud. This will go the way of Palace which is now manipulated in such a way to get as many folks as much reward as they can get. The only real winner of CW is Tynon, raking in the gems.

[Andy]

They all count as exploits. But whether taking advantage of the exploit will be punished is considered case by case. Most of the exploits got fixed without having exploiters punished. Some of players get punished for exploits (e.g. Kyleena), and then the exploit gets fixed. So I think the CW exploit will be fixed sooner or later if it affects the bottomline.

Exploit is using a game behavior that produces results that are against the ToS or the intended results for the game. For the first one, it is cleat cut because the ToS is a published document. For the second is a matter of interpretation, since the 'rules of the game' that define how the game should work are not published. In some cases it is pretty clear that the result is against the 'rules of the game' Like collecting gems for sails that did not occurred on Saturday). In other cases it is not so clear. In those cases unless the moderators get guidance from the Tynon staff, we will do the best we can to make a decision as to what is an exploit or not. One example of this is the 'rigging' of the formations in HP. Some say it is an exploit and other say that the game was designed that way to allow the weaker players on the server to give a fighting chance to get further up towards the Rune palace. Without guidance from the developers there is no way to tell for sure if it is an exploit or not.

[Herby]

I completely agree to everything Morgan has said regarding the "rigging" of CWF.

It's not this single incident that makes things worrying.

It's the fact that CWF can be manipulated as such, and the attitude of those who are doing it, that really gets one worried..


Also, the sailing exploit isn't completely fixed yet.

[DrthCaedus]

You still haven't got this have you? No one has said that it wasn't Yue's choice to throw it but rather she did in favour of a guild mate something she wouldn't do to anyone out side of Fries. That's an imbalance, stop listening the the 'cool kidz' and use your own common sense. Yue is an excellent player and that is something that should be celebrated but this smacks of using CW to suit one group's end.

The last comment isn't smart. Still doesn't justify any 'rule bending'.

Having guilds inherently creates an imbalance and an incentive to assist guild mates. I don't think it should be considered unfair to have thrown the fight for a guild mate. We can question the ethics behind the decision, but it wasn't unfair. The fact of the situation is no one can beat Yue, this means that no one but Yue wins CW unless Yue throws the fight. And rule bending is always justified when there are rules to begin with. It's playing within the rules to the greatest advantage.

[DaBooMan]

Maybe Yue couldnt win due to tax purposes, because Yue has gained so much from CWF, Tynon woulda put on the 50% tax used for high earners

Server 1 is special because it has all those high power players that do not want the noobs to catch up. In server 7 we are willing to help the noobs do some catching up. By the war, power down does not mean to go down to one naked hero. Some of the players power down to 3 heroes and no sub to give more players a fighting chance.

Here we go, bitch when high players dont help, bitch when they do, cant please everyone eh?

[Morgan le Fay]

Having guilds inherently creates an imbalance and an incentive to assist guild mates. I don't think it should be considered unfair to have thrown the fight for a guild mate. We can question the ethics behind the decision, but it wasn't unfair. The fact of the situation is no one can beat Yue, this means that no one but Yue wins CW unless Yue throws the fight. And rule bending is always justified when there are rules to begin with. It's playing within the rules to the greatest advantage.

From a truly personal perspective, I am never going to win CWF and you what I don't care. I really don't care who wins it either as long as the winner and runner-up had fun and played with integrity. I enjoy it and have managed to get to the into last 16 twice, to me that's an achievement and no one gave me a 'leg up'. This all about personal goals.

Yes it was 'a nice thing to do'. I can't argue with that but what's clearly being misunderstood is the ramifications of what's happened. It's done and it can't be changed but Fries haven't considered the controversy or the possibility of a precedent. If certain players no matter their strength are prepared to throw matches then what is the point of having a competition to find the best if it's all about who you know rather than how good you are. If that's the case might as well cancel CWF altogether.

Rules aren't supposed to be bent, broken or used in salsa dancing. People trying to justify others rule bending are usually trying justify their own. I'm here to ensure everyone keeps with forum etiquette but in game that's between Tynon and yourselves. I'm not here to judge you on that.

[MisChief]

Gambling is legal in certain states. Gambling is regulated by the gov't. The "fixing" of bets, throwing of games, races, etc, is illegal. In that regard, since people bet, and some bet real money (ie; gems) then that is what makes this awkward at best. But with that aside, helping a mate/guildie is not the problem either. What the ultimate issue is that Tynon Dev's will eventually lower the prizes or change/alter things because too many will be winning too much. Making the Palace easy allows many to win 100%. NICE we say, sure. But like Banishes, when they pay out more than they "intended", they will roll it back. That to me is the price we all pay for some benefitting. Right? Wrong? That is a matter of your perspective.

[Wildflower]

I am surprised by this thread. The fixing has been going on for a while. Players who are in have lost battles to gain more tickets for themselves.
I don't see any possible way to avoid it unless Tynon takes action against the use of such rigging.
Once the punishment exceeds the rewards, most will either stop or do a better job hiding it.

[MisChief]

I am surprised by this thread. The fixing has been going on for a while. Players who are in have lost battles to gain more tickets for themselves.
I don't see any possible way to avoid it unless Tynon takes action against the use of such rigging.
Once the punishment exceeds the rewards, most will either stop or do a better job hiding it.

You cannot bet against yourself, so how exactly do they lose but win more tickets? That is the one thing they did put in.