They cant both make it to the finals if they play each other sooner, because someone will win. It is a problem in the bracket system that this is not already the case.Originally Posted by DrthCaedus
They cant both make it to the finals if they play each other sooner, because someone will win. It is a problem in the bracket system that this is not already the case.
Nathan Seltzer
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I am glad to see you realize that there may be a problem in the bracket system.
But I am not sure you are seeing the real problem, or maybe the problem many of us see is not a problem to you.
Lets say the 2 best players in a CWF are in the same guild, according to what youve posted they should not meet in finals. Yet I think they should. The guild should not effect the bracket system.
Its the fact the people who are considered teh top 8 by skill and power will face each other in the 1st or 2nd knockout. This allows weaker and in my mind less deserving players to advance into the top 8 and earn top 8 rewards.
The top 8 should be the 8 best players not the top 5,6,or 7 and the others ones got there because people they cant beat were eliminated by people who will beat them anyways.
I mean some are going to say its nice that way so some small player randomly gets lucky and gets top 8 rewards. But whats the point of building up and even competing in CWF if thats the way it is. Kruize by example is probably one of the top 8 in asia/pacific yet he constantly gets knocked out in knockout rounds by the tip 2 or 3 players in asia/pacific while some one kruize can easily beat gets in top 8. Why should kruize keep building? Why should he keep trying to be better if the bracketing system is going to punish him for being good and reward someone else for not being as good as him.
Last edited by mattp169; 02-17-2014 at 05:04 PM.
The problem in the bracket system is that it fails to seed players accurately. It should function like any qualifying bracket. #1 ranked is on one side #2 on the other, #3 on the same side as number 1 but opposite (as in they shouldn't meet till the semis) #4 on the same side as #2 same situation so on and so forth. With rankings such as this it ensures that the most deserving players (those with the most skill and power) make it the farthest in CW. What guild you are in should not have anything to do with making it to the final 8, 4, or 2. CW was intended to find out who is best in all of Tynon (at-least within specific timezones) and if it is going to do this then it needs to accurately seed the best players. Since there are obviously rankings coming out of the prelims those should work just fine for seeding.
Edit: Just to make sure i'm perfectly clear. the problem isn't 2 people in the same guild making it to the final fight, the problem is not all the top players making it to the final 8 or even 16, and then there not being clear rules regarding the purposeful throwing of a fight. I think 2 people of the same guild should be able to play in the final ( as long as they make it there in a correctly seeded tournament). More often than not it would probably happen where members of the same guild would end up on the same side of the bracket and face in top 16, 8, 4 etc. I'm just saying that the only deciding factor for how far someone makes it should be their seeding after prelims.
Last edited by DrthCaedus; 02-17-2014 at 05:34 PM.
Nicely put. I hope they will see it this way.
Then we have people whining that the same two people almost always make it to the finals.
Rather than saying that there are no clear rules regarding the purposeful throwing of a fight, it would be better to say that there are no rules regarding the purposeful throwing of a fight (unless someone can point me to where such rules are stated).
Ha ha fair point. To address your other problem I also suggest having the top 8 sit out the next CW so we avoid the same people in the top every time. it would quickly begin to level the playing field a bit.
Might result in more matches being thrown. I would much rather get 9th than 8th, if I know in the next CW, the top 8 will sit out.
PROPOSED SOLUTION: Merge the Europe and Asia-Pacific CWFs together
Why not add variety? To avoid the off-chance that the same two people meet in the finals all the time, or that guild-mates meet in the finals, to avoid the temptation to "fix" or "Rig" the championships.
Look at the US CWFs, its always been a challenge once you get into the top 16, or even top 32. The winners are usually different each round, and the competition is really tough, the fights are mostly nail-biters and are decided by very small margins. THIS is the true spirit of Championship Warfare.
Since the Europe and Asia-Pacific servers have a lot less population than the US ones, thus, the CWFs being won by always the same group of people, why not MERGE THE EUROPE AND ASIA-PACIFIC CHAMPIONSHIP WARFARES TOGETHER?
The only challenge really is finding a common time to satisfy both players' timezones.
Hence why I proposed severe punishments for anyone caught throwing a fight.
I like this idea. Since CW happen so often, having them sit out 1 would allow more people to get to the top, and the rewards. Maybe even sit out 2.. in that type rotation it gives more an opportunity. Also slows up the huge benefit they get from the prizes stacking up so often. If someone is willing to throw a fight then surely they'd feel this acceptable.
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