What a JOKE Championship Warfare has turned out to be.

[Peeta Melark]

Ha ha fair point. To address your other problem I also suggest having the top 8 sit out the next CW so we avoid the same people in the top every time. it would quickly begin to level the playing field a bit.

Instead of 8 people getting the top rewards, with this idea, it would be the same 16 people.
Also, this idea is very unfair to those who have built up and spent to get their accounts in top 8 form.

[Morgan le Fay]

All those who are complaining just one simple question - did you have any chance of making the finals ?

And to Morgan "spirit of the game" really? on an online game ?

So you agree they did not break any rules and Yue did a nice gesture to help a guild mate out. After all he has used his resources ( time and money) to get to where he is and it is not your call to tell him to sit out CWF.

Spirit of any game is fair and fun competition, Noob.

Apart from a couple of over zealous comments, most agreed this was 'rigging' not cheating so I'm not sure why you are so keen for clarity. My 'perilously close' remark was referring to how this could be interpreted, rather than any major wrong doing. I wasn't telling anyone to do anything either, just agreeing with some else's comment. Let's be honest, if you haven't the heart to win, why put you energy into a competition like this.

Personally I think setting an example is the only way to ensure people not to play this way.
Also I really feel that letting the top 8 sit out a few runs of CW would be an excellent idea and be good for this balance thing you seem to want.
If you can't win them all, you sure as hell want to win those you can enter...

Which really is the whole point of the Asia-Pacific final being highlighted. To be honest I feel a bit sorry for Yue and Nixon being thrown into the limelight like this but at least they both unearthed a major future problem. Maybe a 'sit out' might work but it'll be interesting to see what others come up with.

PROPOSED SOLUTION: Merge the Europe and Asia-Pacific CWFs together

Why not add variety? To avoid the off-chance that the same two people meet in the finals all the time, or that guild-mates meet in the finals, to avoid the temptation to "fix" or "Rig" the championships.

Look at the US CWFs, its always been a challenge once you get into the top 16, or even top 32. The winners are usually different each round, and the competition is really tough, the fights are mostly nail-biters and are decided by very small margins. THIS is the true spirit of Championship Warfare.

Since the Europe and Asia-Pacific servers have a lot less population than the US ones, thus, the CWFs being won by always the same group of people, why not MERGE THE EUROPE AND ASIA-PACIFIC CHAMPIONSHIP WARFARES TOGETHER?

The only challenge really is finding a common time to satisfy both players' timezones.

The time zone's would be a very big challenge, there is a 8-12 hour difference. However, compared to the US division there is a lot smaller player base.

[DrthCaedus]

Back when this started I originally suggested the top 8 sit out 2 CWs but then they changed it to bi-weekly so I decided 1 sit out would be more fair to them. I'm ok with perhaps making it top 16 sit out for even more variety.

[shereemacgillivray_303726]

Quote Originally Posted by Wildflower View Post
Personally I think setting an example is the only way to ensure people not to play this way.
Also I really feel that letting the top 8 sit out a few runs of CW would be an excellent idea and be good for this balance thing you seem to want.
If you can't win them all, you sure as hell want to win those you can enter...

Seriously all you guys want to take away the only thing the big players have left to play tynon for!!!

Let's be honest, if you haven't the heart to win, why put you energy into a competition like this.

I'm sure that if Yue come up against Soulight in final he would have put everything into it. As it was he ended up fighting a guild mate for second time so decided to help him out (not against the rules) and very selfless of Yue.
If you want to make top 8 work harder be smarter stop whining about everything and concentrate on your own account. There is no sport or game in this world where the top people have to sit out because the rest are complaining that they win to much.
A suggestion why doesn't tynon just drop all rewards from CW then people can play for what it was intended abit of fun or as alot have suggested add a seeding system so the best always make it to final which is the way it should be otherwise whats the point in a Championship?

[Dawnseeker]

Quote Originally Posted by Wildflower View Post
Personally I think setting an example is the only way to ensure people not to play this way.
Also I really feel that letting the top 8 sit out a few runs of CW would be an excellent idea and be good for this balance thing you seem to want.
If you can't win them all, you sure as hell want to win those you can enter...

Seriously all you guys want to take away the only thing the big players have left to play tynon for!!!


I'm sure that if Yue come up against Soulight in final he would have put everything into it. As it was he ended up fighting a guild mate for second time so decided to help him out (not against the rules) and very selfless of Yue.
If you want to make top 8 work harder be smarter stop whining about everything and concentrate on your own account. There is no sport or game in this world where the top people have to sit out because the rest are complaining that they win to much.
A suggestion why doesn't tynon just drop all rewards from CW then people can play for what it was intended abit of fun or as alot have suggested add a seeding system so the best always make it to final which is the way it should be otherwise whats the point in a Championship?

I agree with this mostly. Yue did not do anything wrong, but we certainly made an oversight allowing this to occur. The problem is guildmates fighting each other in the later rounds. We should arrange the brackets so they instead fight each other in the early rounds.

[robrien978_8800158]

i disagree on that one about the best should get to teh final..u say about other sports..you always get upsets where top teams might go out at early stages and smaller players/teams get through, has an example from the uk the f.a cup..we love a gd giant killing where the underdogs can win on a given day..the best dont have a right to get to the final..they have to get there and earn that spot..or why even have the chamionship? y not just the best 2 against each ither from day 1? cw is fine has it is, someone chose to help a guildmate and that was there choice, ive seen it happen on the euro one in different stages, its gonna happen, so like people say dont worry about it and concentrate on getting better..the best way to stop is to become has good as them and get ya self to the final.

[DrthCaedus]

I agree with this mostly. Yue did not do anything wrong, but we certainly made an oversight allowing this to occur. The problem is guildmates fighting each other in the later rounds. We should arrange the brackets so they instead fight each other in the early rounds.

Can you explain this reasoning to me??? How is that the problem here? I think it's been well flushed out the problem here is that there are no [B]rules[B] detailing what we are allowed to do in CW and not allowed to do. To go along with this there are also no punishments to go along with breaking of rules. Get these and the throwing of fights will no longer happen.

Second. Forcing guild mates to fight each other in earlier rounds to knock each other out and not allow them to make the finals regardless of their skill or power is completely contrary to the spirit of CW and the game itself. Doing that doesn't find out who the best players are...it finds out who Tynon thinks should be winning. Makes no sense at all.

[IraTheSquire_1457591]

As it stands it could be considered ethically questionable but not cheating, as there were no rule violations, not ToS violations, no CW violations. WE can say that it perhaps wasn't in the spirit of the game, but not cheating by any means, especially since there is no real currency involved. I propose to avoid this in the future Tynon put a statement in place informing us that it is expected if we are going to compete, to compete to the best of our ability, and if there is evidence anyone has thrown a fight they will have all rewards stripped. As it stands everything they did was well within the rules and I have no qualms with it until such a time as Tynon makes a statement about it.

Technically, no. But it is not possible to have rules that list out and cover all dubious or unethical behavior that occur in all circumstances. If we go with "if the rules doesn't say no, you can do it", well then pretty much anything goes (hey, nothing in the ToS says I can threaten other players in real life when I find out where they are through channels outside Tynon, right?).

Besides, according to the ToS:

You agree that you will not, under any circumstances:

a. Engage in any act that uCool deems to be in conflict with the spirit or intent of the Service, including but not limited to circumventing or manipulating these Terms, our game rules, game mechanics or policies;

The question now is, should uCool deem such match-fixing like this to be in conflict with the spirit or intent of the Service, when in other games (regardless whether they be sports or not. Sport is still a game) match-fixing is deemed cheating.

You don't get it, there is nothing stated in the rules that it was illegal. So before you get on your high horse just settle down and think about it. Did that stop you from making the finals NO . Did that stop you from doing any better in CW NO. So what is your problem?

All the do gooders jumping up and down their seats calling it is not right. I bet they would be the first ones to accept Yue's offer if he said " hey I am going to throw the game for you to win"

It lost me tickets and other who are in the whole scheme are gaining tickets that they shouldn't.

And I did not say that "it is illegal". I am questioning why match-fixing is not deemed illegal here when in every other game (up to and including big sport events) it is.

And your cynicism and assumption that I would engage in such behaviour is rude and illogical. I don't know about you but most people in this world have something called a "conscious".

And just in case you don't know: I'm not just referring to this match with Yue since I think she is just being nice to her opponent, but I've heard stories where people fix matches like this so that their friends can get more tickets than they are supposed to.

[DrthCaedus]

Technically, no. But it is not possible to have rules that list out and cover all dubious or unethical behavior that occur in all circumstances. If we go with "if the rules doesn't say no, you can do it", well then pretty much anything goes.

I just want to point out I brought this issue up when they first announced CW and suggested they provide clarification and rules regarding how fights work out. They didn't respond or take that advice to heart and now they have an issue. This was an obvious eventual event stemming from the nature of CW. They should've seen this coming and done something about it.

[andreasl187_6103403]

i think throwing a game that people can bet on is wrong, i see it all the time on eu servers aswell when some people in final 8 throws a couple rounds (probably to tell guild/friends to bet on the other for tickets), if it wasnt for the betting part i would say yue was just acting nice to a friend, but since theres bets its screwing alot of people.