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Thread: What a JOKE Championship Warfare has turned out to be.

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    A suggestion I had a while ago, is to show the formations of the players before they fight, and have a betting period then. Looking at the power isn't enough to make a bet because formation matters too much.

    This would increase the % of correct bets (which is good and bad), but also solves the problem for the betters if someone throws the fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy View Post
    The problem is no more a system exploit that setting up the formations for HP. What makes this different is the betting. If the player lets the Guildmate win, in my opinion, it is not an exploit. Yes the people that placed bets, specially the ones that used Gems to increase the bets, have a good reason not to be happy with the players actions but that does not make it an exploit.

    In the other hand, if it was set up so that the player's friends or guild mates wold know ahead of time and bet on the fight knowing the the obvious winner would loose, then it is an exploit.
    If people are whining about loosing on bets especially Ira, did you not see Yue loose a round ( that is when I picked it up and changed my bets the next round) that should have made you think hang on what is going on and then see his power drop. It is not anyone's fault but yours to not bet wisely. Go ahead and whine all you want but if you are not smart in betting you will still loose no matter what system they have in place.

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    tynon are able to provide a printout to players detailing their gem usage by time and date and most importantly what the gems were used on. they would be able to (tho im sure it would be a big job) to identify all of tho people who used gems to increase their bets on these particular cw fights.

    It therefore stands to reason that they (tynon) would be able to re-imburse all who did bet on these fights - whether or not tehy do is anoteh rquestion entirely tho..

    That said, if they did re-imburse people for those 10-25 gems, im confident that they would only want to do this once, and inturn be forced into takign some sort of preventative action in the future.

    I feel for those who spent gems and lost out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy View Post
    In the other hand, if it was set up so that the player's friends or guild mates wold know ahead of time and bet on the fight knowing the the obvious winner would loose, then it is an exploit.
    What makes you think that isn't happening?
    The game mechanics allow it and you know as well as any of us the extremes players will take to gain an advantage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trahevony_4745091 View Post
    tynon are able to provide a printout to players detailing their gem usage by time and date and most importantly what the gems were used on. they would be able to (tho im sure it would be a big job) to identify all of tho people who used gems to increase their bets on these particular cw fights.

    It therefore stands to reason that they (tynon) would be able to re-imburse all who did bet on these fights - whether or not tehy do is anoteh rquestion entirely tho..

    That said, if they did re-imburse people for those 10-25 gems, im confident that they would only want to do this once, and inturn be forced into takign some sort of preventative action in the future.

    I feel for those who spent gems and lost out.
    Why should Tynon re-imburse gems for someone's stupidity ? You bet at your own risk as no one is forcing you to bet gems and the tickets you get betting without gems is as good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy View Post
    The problem is no more a system exploit that setting up the formations for HP. What makes this different is the betting. If the player lets the Guildmate win, in my opinion, it is not an exploit. Yes the people that placed bets, specially the ones that used Gems to increase the bets, have a good reason not to be happy with the players actions but that does not make it an exploit.

    In the other hand, if it was set up so that the player's friends or guild mates wold know ahead of time and bet on the fight knowing the the obvious winner would loose, then it is an exploit.
    Yeah, that's what I mean. Which is why I'm not bringing up Yue's match because I don't think that she's deliberately fixing the match to let her friends (we're not just talking about guildmates here: we're talking about anyone she possibly is friends and can communicate with) given that in that match which I saw she deliberately loses to the player for all the rounds after.

    And the latter setting up is what I'm talking about, because theoretically it is possible and I've heard that people are actually doing it (not the finals though. A players seem to do that out of habit.)

    Quote Originally Posted by Nooberix View Post
    If people are whining about loosing on bets especially Ira, did you not see Yue loose a round ( that is when I picked it up and changed my bets the next round) that should have made you think hang on what is going on and then see his power drop. It is not anyone's fault but yours to not bet wisely. Go ahead and whine all you want but if you are not smart in betting you will still loose no matter what system they have in place.
    I actually did do that too for Yue, which is why I personally did not lose much in that specific match. The fact that it is the way it is right now, or that you can find a way around it, doesn't make it right.

    As I said, Noob, I'm not talking about Yue's match but the CSW in general. This is pretty much an exploit to get more tickets just with a social element to it (you have to know the right people).
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    Quote Originally Posted by swifty_6963349 View Post
    What makes you think that isn't happening?
    The game mechanics allow it and you know as well as any of us the extremes players will take to gain an advantage.

    Colonel Mustard
    I never said it was not happening. I said that if it happens it would be an exploit.

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    When it first came out most complained that the same top players would always win ( which was the case for Asia/pacific) and what is the point for the rest. At least with this current system a lower level player has a chance with a bit of luck to make it to the top 16 or even top 8.

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    not saying that they should or shouldnt, but the biggest arguement in this thread is that people did spend gems and were in-fact duped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nooberix View Post
    When it first came out most complained that the same top players would always win ( which was the case for Asia/pacific) and what is the point for the rest. At least with this current system a lower level player has a chance with a bit of luck to make it to the top 16 or even top 8.
    Again, the problem is not that a lower level player has a chance to make it to the top in the CSW, because that's ok (in fact, I welcome it). The problem is that because of the match-fixing players can have an advantage over other players based on who they know and friends with as opposed just based on how much money/time/skill you spent. If you want lower level players to have a chance, there are other ways of doing it as opposed this way where an exploit is possible.

    Not to mention that the system as is the players can change formations ''right before the betting ends'', so the better's ability to even avoid this can be by-passed. Not what happened with Yue's match, but it can be done.

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