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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy View Post
    I am not making excuses for uCool, but they do have a problem. The have different groups of customers that have conflicting needs.
    1. The super players that are at the 'top of the food chain'. They are bored because they have nothing to do. No quests, No new bosses in HR. No new heroes in the Royal Arena. GW is not challenging at all. They are maxed out in Talents, Runes, and equipment upgrades. They need new content.
    2. The mid level players. These are the ones that are not on the top, but have advanced up to the point that are closing the gap because the top level players can not advance. The are probably the less frustrated of all the players. Still, because the top level players have noting to do some may go hunting in HR and the mid level players are the victims. The new content that the top players need will not help them. They will see their chance to catch up evaporate.
    3. The rest of the population. They can be divided in two groups.
      1. The new post patch players. They are struggling along trying to be competitive. They are frustrated because they can not catch up to the big players. The new Reputation system work against them. The new powered up bosses are too strong for them to take on so they they can get the plans they need to catch up. The new content that the top players need will not help them, it will just make the gap between the top players and them that much wider. The get frustrated because they can not sail in the Caribbean without getting sunk and can not compete in Guild Wars and they can not see how the will ever be able to catch up. The tasks needed to move up, specially the temple, are repetitive and boring.
      2. The rest of the players. They are the ones that ate not top players but received the reputation bonus from the patch and got to keep any heroes that they already had even though they are not entitled to them. The have the same problems as the new post patch players, but not as severe.


    uCool brought this dilemma on itself by releasing the game before it had though trough all the implications of having the players be able to advance too quickly and to have that advancement be exponential instead of linear. What I means is that as you move it take less time to gain the same amount of "power". This means that the gap between players that joined the game early and the ones that joined it later.

    Note that I have not mention "coiners" because all of the above applies to all players. "Coining up" just makes it worse. I am not saying that "coining" should not be done, because that is the only way that the game can be supported, but it is part of the problem.

    The net result is that there is that all the groups are frustrated and player retention suffers.

    There is no quick fix to this problem. It was brought on by poor game design because the designers did not look far enough ahead to see the consequences. They have tried to patch it up several times to try to reduce he gap, but it has been too little too late. There has been too much damage done for that. The only solution I can see is to segregate the different groups of players into separate servers, but that would affect the social aspects of the game. Even that, unless the power gain becomes more liner, the problem will develop again.

    I am sorry if all of the above is naive, I am new to on line games of this type. I did play Evony II for about 8 months and enjoyed it until the server became saturated. I was able to advance and be competitive without having to "coin up". I topped playing when the server I was in became saturated and just about all the real estate was taken. I did try to start on a new server, but had to give it up because of all the repetitive motion needed to play the game gave me Repetitive Motion Syndrome.

    The reason I joined Tynon was because it was designed by the same company that designed Evony II, but it appeared that the game did not required as much repetitive motion. It also did not allow you to be attacked when you were not logged on (revenges excluded) that you could in Evony.

    Well, first off I'll agree that most of this is true. Secondly, nobody is 100% maxed in Blacksmith Equip. Thirdly, the entire "problem" isn't really a problem at all. It's only a problem because so many players keep calling it one. If everyone stopped being so impatient and just let it be, maybe the devs could catch their breath and continue. I'm in no way supporting them here, but put yourselves into their shoes. They are a small dev team, and are trying to fix bugs and release game content that was needed a month ago. It takes time to do all this and with all the tickets and new bugs pouring in daily, it must be mind boggling. And let's not forget the biggest bug of them all, the looking ahead bug. I'm absolutely sure they are trying the fix that. It's the NUMBER ONE reason why so many players are so "far ahead". If that bug didn't get found, then so many people wouldn't be crying for more content.
    I'm just as bored as all of you other coiners. I want new things to do also. I just don't find enjoyment in rubbing Ucool's face in the fact that they are behind.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Deucalion View Post
    Well, first off I'll agree that most of this is true. Secondly, nobody is 100% maxed in Blacksmith Equip. Thirdly, the entire "problem" isn't really a problem at all. It's only a problem because so many players keep calling it one. If everyone stopped being so impatient and just let it be, maybe the devs could catch their breath and continue. I'm in no way supporting them here, but put yourselves into their shoes. They are a small dev team, and are trying to fix bugs and release game content that was needed a month ago. It takes time to do all this and with all the tickets and new bugs pouring in daily, it must be mind boggling. And let's not forget the biggest bug of them all, the looking ahead bug. I'm absolutely sure they are trying the fix that. It's the NUMBER ONE reason why so many players are so "far ahead". If that bug didn't get found, then so many people wouldn't be crying for more content.
    I'm just as bored as all of you other coiners. I want new things to do also. I just don't find enjoyment in rubbing Ucool's face in the fact that they are behind.
    It is a problem because it is impacting player retention. If we van not keep the players interested then they leave. I do grant you that I made a mistake when I said that players have maxed out on equipment, but waiting for queues to cool down and then restarting the queue is not something that will keep the players interested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy View Post
    It is a problem because it is impacting player retention. If we van not keep the players interested then they leave. I do grant you that I made a mistake when I said that players have maxed out on equipment, but waiting for queues to cool down and then restarting the queue is not something that will keep the players interested.

    And like I said, I agree with you mostly. All those points are valid. I think we should wait and see what is released and when before we go further with this topic, imo.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Deucalion View Post
    And like I said, I agree with you mostly. All those points are valid. I think we should wait and see what is released and when before we go further with this topic, imo.
    If we wait too much longer server merges will be easy because there will not be enough players left to fill one server and then the game will shut down because there is not enough revenue to support it.
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    Like Deuc, I tend to agree with mostly what you said Andy. However, player retention is a multi-layered thing. To be honest I'm seeing more smaller players quit than the top ones and if people are going to quit a game they will do regardless of whatever the devs do.

    There is what 4-5 people in this thread seriously asking for new content? Compared to a broad player base, it's not a lot. And to be frank this whole thing is a storm in a teacup, that has turned into a bigger problem then it is. As Deuc said uCool are a small dev team who haven't got the facilities to go much faster than they are. Don't get us wrong I don't think anyone would disagree new content is a good thing and wish it would arrive faster. Things just need to have a bit of perspective.

    Dawnseeker hinted at the beginning of this thread that it's being worked on and Tynon are revamping runes as annouced here. So things are moving in the right direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan le Fay View Post
    Like Deuc, I tend to agree with mostly what you said Andy. However, player retention is a multi-layered thing. To be honest I'm seeing more smaller players quit than the top ones and if people are going to quit a game they will do regardless of whatever the devs do.

    There is what 4-5 people in this thread seriously asking for new content? Compared to a broad player base, it's not a lot. And to be frank this whole thing is a storm in a teacup, that has turned into a bigger problem then it is. As Deuc said uCool are a small dev team who haven't got the facilities to go much faster than they are. Don't get us wrong I don't think anyone would disagree new content is a good thing and wish it would arrive faster. Things just need to have a bit of perspective.


    Dawnseeker hinted at the beginning of this thread that it's being worked on and Tynon are revamping runes as annouced here. So things are moving in the right direction.
    I agree fully.

    Patience goes a long way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan le Fay View Post
    There is what 4-5 people in this thread seriously asking for new content? Compared to a broad player base, it's not a lot.
    Anyone over 55m in power can finish all of the existing content, so there's a fair number of people waiting for new content. The top players are your top spenders (generally), so it is important even if the majority of the player base is smaller and still a long ways off from finishing existing content. Besides, much of Searing Desert is already done and has been for some time. Giving the monsters and bosses appropriate power does take some time, but nothing compared to developing something completely new.
    Last edited by Rocco; 03-05-2014 at 05:05 AM.

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    I know for the most part deuc herby,morgan,andy are rightish.

    I want new content, I like most of what has been done to the game that I would classify as changes to the current content. I like the expansion pack type content (ie Royal Arena)

    But The gear was a known advertised part of the game from day 1. Its not like they just started showing us a few weeks ago there is judgement and sirius gear. We've known about it for 9 months.

    SO what frustrates me the most is I know eventually it will all get to the same place, but I would much prefer they finish what they advertised ( maps and hr through sirius), then fix bugs, then modify current content to make it better, then add expansion packs (ie Royal Arena). That is the way I am used to seeing a game develop. I would rather be bored because i finished the current game, which noone has because its not released, then be bored waiting for them to finish what they started.
    I would rather be bored waiting for new events and expansion pack style material, then the ability to finish the maps that we knew would be part of the game 9 months ago.

    So dawn can say all he wants about how much content has been delivered and revamped in the past 9 months, because he is correct, but I whole heartedly disagree with the priority structure uCool has implemented for the game

    Like the new patch Dawm just announced. Its a great sounding patch. I think I will love it. I will probably complain about how much a synergia rune costs versus how much experience it rewards However, I would rather see the maps and hr finished more than this patch. I want both, and uCool will eventually give me both. I just want them in a different order then uCool is giving them to me.

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    The devs can only do so much at once. There are things that they want to do with the game. There are things that players to see happen with the game. Then there are things that need to happen with the game (fixing bugs/exploits).
    I'm sure that they've got their priorities and if they start giving us etas more specific than "soon" and suddenly they need to change the schedule for whatever reason then players will get mad that this feature or that feature got pushed back. As someone who has tried to design a relatively simple game (didn't even have a GUI), I can say that it takes time to make sure everything works properly.

    So I guess what I'm trying to say is that we should be patient and let them work things through. They can't make us all happy simultaneously.

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    for me i don't think that Rocco - i enjoy the game and the graphics (think they really pushed it up a notch on last few patches)
    i am on a later server so not so hot on the upgrades but enjoy the patches (stars/runes/etc)
    at lvl103 so sure i'll be bitching soon tho (toungue in cheek)

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