What a Ripoff

[Swagmaster_556383]

Gem Boosts have a very high success rate, because we don't want people spending Gems and having them fail. Credit Boosts do not have anywhere close to a 95% fail rate, and that is absurd. The success rate is at least 10x higher than that. And using it is optional. If you want to offer legitimate criticism of the game, or offer suggestions, please do so. But don't try to make things look bad to get your point across.

Are you sure about that? When I was using credit boosts for things like Cerberus, Baal and Ragnarok, nearly every attempt failed. I would make 9 or 10 attempts and if I was lucky one of them would succeed, yet the credits were gone. Say what you like, this is something that MANY folks who play the game have experienced. And besides, why even have a fail rate for credit boosts, unless you are trying to force people to spend money for gems? What is the harm in letting folks get what they're expecting? To offer credit boosts and then have them "fail" is a pretty sorry way to run a game if you ask me. It's akin to false advertisement because the only way you even learn about the high chance of failure is to click the button that says credit boost and see that alert that the boost failed. As for the cards being rigged, let me elaborate a bit because it seems there is some misunderstanding about what I said. In the Heavenly Tavern, you have 5 cards. They are lined up and shown then turned over. Now let's say you see a couple purples and an orange. You click on the card that held the orange and suddenly the card is right next to the card you clicked. It isn't 2 cards over or 3 cards over, it is right next to your chosen card. However, if you click on any other cards, it is in the exact spot you saw it. I have done this using credits for reshuffles many times and every time it is the same.

[Jewels]

I spend a little - and there are a lot of 'free' options
I don't like running after the lady for an hour every night -but she does pay for those buffs (banish/rag)

"Random" (starting to hate that word lol) anyway the randomness and luck lets many play for free while succeeding in the game -

I complain as much as the next player about tavern/cardbroker/boost fails/quirks and glitches/lag/content etc.

but as many have posted 'what you see is what you get' you don't have to pay and you don't have to play.

[Kalatron]

Are you sure about that? When I was using credit boosts for things like Cerberus, Baal and Ragnarok, nearly every attempt failed. I would make 9 or 10 attempts and if I was lucky one of them would succeed, yet the credits were gone. Say what you like, this is something that MANY folks who play the game have experienced. And besides, why even have a fail rate for credit boosts, unless you are trying to force people to spend money for gems? What is the harm in letting folks get what they're expecting? To offer credit boosts and then have them "fail" is a pretty sorry way to run a game if you ask me. It's akin to false advertisement because the only way you even learn about the high chance of failure is to click the button that says credit boost and see that alert that the boost failed. As for the cards being rigged, let me elaborate a bit because it seems there is some misunderstanding about what I said. In the Heavenly Tavern, you have 5 cards. They are lined up and shown then turned over. Now let's say you see a couple purples and an orange. You click on the card that held the orange and suddenly the card is right next to the card you clicked. It isn't 2 cards over or 3 cards over, it is right next to your chosen card. However, if you click on any other cards, it is in the exact spot you saw it. I have done this using credits for reshuffles many times and every time it is the same.

Credit boosts do not fail as much as you say, it seems pretty random to me if they fail or succeed. Many times I have gotten 80% boost for 4 clicks. Some days you are lucky and some you aren't.

[Rocco]

As for the cards being rigged, let me elaborate a bit because it seems there is some misunderstanding about what I said. In the Heavenly Tavern, you have 5 cards.

Swag makes a good point here - they should NOT have created Tavern as choosing 1 in 5 cards. This leads new players to think it is a 1 in 5 chance and is very frustrating for a new player that has very little credits. Sure, the player will quickly realize the whole card picking thing is just a facade masking a much lower chance (maybe 1-2% for a gold?). If that player sticks around long enough, it will eventually not bother him at all (since he will realize those are rare cards that he will have many chances to "roll" for), but a lot of players may quit before then because of stuff like this and they'll just spread negative opinions about the game.

[Deucalion]

Swag makes a good point here - they should NOT have created Tavern as choosing 1 in 5 cards. This leads new players to think it is a 1 in 5 chance and is very frustrating for a new player that has very little credits. Sure, the player will quickly realize the whole card picking thing is just a facade masking a much lower chance (maybe 1-2% for a gold?). If that player sticks around long enough, it will eventually not bother him at all (since he will realize those are rare cards that he will have many chances to "roll" for), but a lot of players may quit before then because of stuff like this and they'll just spread negative opinions about the game.

I agree to a point, but with a few minutes of asking around or browsing the forum, the info is widely known. Almost anyone that's been playing for over a month can tell you that everything in this game is predetermined, and I think we are all okay with that. If not, many of us wouldn't be here. It's not a rip-off, trickery or any other scam. This is an optional game and always will be. Spend or don't spend. Play or don't play. Have fun or don't.

The only thing I have ever not agreed with is when three gold cards are in the deck, and you flip 3 (for 10 + 50 gems) and somehow you still don't get a gold card. That has happened to me twice in the 9-10 months tynon have been around. Not bad odds.

[Rocco]

I agree to a point, but with a few minutes of asking around or browsing the forum, the info is widely known. Almost anyone that's been playing for over a month can tell you that everything in this game is predetermined, and I think we are all okay with that. If not, many of us wouldn't be here. It's not a rip-off, trickery or any other scam. This is an optional game and always will be. Spend or don't spend. Play or don't play. Have fun or don't.

Like I said, people that stick around will eventually come to understand it and have no issues with it, but every player will go through this frustration that Swag is feeling before getting there. You think every single one of them will ask in guild chat or forums? You think every single one of them will be given a proper explanation? Heck, look at this thread. The other replies don't even properly address the issue that he expressed about tavern. Just saying uCool could have and should have thought of something else.

[Swagmaster_556383]

I guess my point is this. When people begin playing Tynon and see "credit boost", that's what they expect to get, a credit boost. They don't expect to click the credit boost button then see a "Credit Boost Failed" notification. As for the cards, it is not predetermined because the card always falls directly next to the card you chose. There is no way possible for this to happen on a predetermined scale. Where you click determines where that card ends up and it is never where you clicked. Say what you will, the reality of it is that it's a sham. The only thing that is predetermined is the fact that you are not getting that card, period.

Now the way I see it, there can only be one of two reasons why this game is rigged: 1. the greedy folks who made the game wanted to force free players to spend real money on gems if they wanted the boosts or hero cards, or 2. the game is bugged. In either event, it makes for a lousy player experience for those who are not spending money and this in turn causes frustration. As anyone with even the slightest business sense knows, when you make yourself look a swindler or a sham, you tend to lose valuable customers. I'm a case in point. I am very competitive by nature and when I began playing this game, I spent money on it. I'm a 41 year old web and game developer who makes around 46k a year and I am by no means poor. Had I not come to the conclusion that this game is rigged to the extreme and screwed players over who used credits (which are free) so they would spend money of gems, I would have continued to spend money on the game.

[cnn1_7545681]

I guess my point is this. When people begin playing Tynon and see "credit boost", that's what they expect to get, a credit boost. They don't expect to click the credit boost button then see a "Credit Boost Failed" notification. As for the cards, it is not predetermined because the card always falls directly next to the card you chose. There is no way possible for this to happen on a predetermined scale. Where you click determines where that card ends up and it is never where you clicked. Say what you will, the reality of it is that it's a sham. The only thing that is predetermined is the fact that you are not getting that card, period.

Now the way I see it, there can only be one of two reasons why this game is rigged: 1. the greedy folks who made the game wanted to force free players to spend real money on gems if they wanted the boosts or hero cards, or 2. the game is bugged. In either event, it makes for a lousy player experience for those who are not spending money and this in turn causes frustration. As anyone with even the slightest business sense knows, when you make yourself look a swindler or a sham, you tend to lose valuable customers. I'm a case in point. I am very competitive by nature and when I began playing this game, I spent money on it. I'm a 41 year old web and game developer who makes around 46k a year and I am by no means poor. Had I not come to the conclusion that this game is rigged to the extreme and screwed players over who used credits (which are free) so they would spend money of gems, I would have continued to spend money on the game.

If true I 100% agree.

[Rocco]

I guess my point is this. When people begin playing Tynon and see "credit boost", that's what they expect to get, a credit boost. They don't expect to click the credit boost button then see a "Credit Boost Failed" notification. As for the cards, it is not predetermined because the card always falls directly next to the card you chose. There is no way possible for this to happen on a predetermined scale. Where you click determines where that card ends up and it is never where you clicked. Say what you will, the reality of it is that it's a sham. The only thing that is predetermined is the fact that you are not getting that card, period.

Swag, read my first post. It doesn't matter which card you pick. Before you pick a card, there was already a "roll" that determined whether you won the card or not. They should not have represented this as a "choose 1 card in 5." The legendary rune keeper, for example, you just click him and you either got the a yellow rune or not. You don't feel scammed there, because you know the chance of getting a yellow is slim and it doesn't misrepresent itself as something with a much higher chance.

[MisChief]

Boosting is optional. It helps, but it fails. I have found that it has a sort of pattern that changes every 3 days. In other words, one day will be very few fails, next day more, last day it's awful, then good again. In the law of averages, this does level out. It has been my personal experience that it's about 5-1, maybe 6-1 on avg. In tavern I have won cards on the 10 gem pick. But since the latest patches I don't use any gems unless I see at least 3 cards I would take. Just don't spend more in tavern than you can afford. When I go I really hope for lots of spirits, and have bought the majority of hero cards that way. If you spin one it's like a bonus.

I get frustrated like everyone, but if you just take it for what it is you'll enjoy your experience better.