What a Ripoff

[kaisim_2492829]

When I began playing this game, I shelled out quite a bit of money for extra perks. In general, the game is pretty cool and I don't mind investing in something I like. But after playing for a month or so, I began to see just how much of a ripoff this game really is. Consider boosts for instance. Gem boosts almost always work, but credit boosts fail around 95% of the time. Then there is the Heavenly Tavern; when a decent card comes up, it will almost never be where you click, regardless where you click. For instance, when you click on the card that held the hero, the hero will always be the next card over; but when you click the card next to where you saw the hero, the hero card will be exactly where you saw it. This is so predictable it's funny. The game makers will tell you this is random, but I took the liberty of running the numbers through a statistics program and the odds of the cards falling the way they fall on a randomly generated system is 0:1; in other words, it would never happen.

Everything in this game is designed to force players to spend real money. Were it simply a matter of offering extra perks for money, this wouldn't be a bad thing; most online games do this and they make a pretty hefty profit out of it, so long as the game is enjoyable. But when a game deliberately sabotages the in-game efforts of non paying members in an attempt to force them to pay money just to enjoy the game, it amounts to extortion. As a web and game developer, I find this appalling and I refuse to spend money on a sham (a note to Tynon admins: if you look at my account, you will see that I stopped spending money on your game months ago; prior to that, I spent quite a bit. You do the math).

My suggestion to anyone reading this would be to leave Tynon alone. The game developers are greedy and manipulative and completely out of line. They consider you, the player, too stupid to realize you are being screwed. But given their tendency to lie and manipulate, I doubt my post will stay live on here for long...

i am not so sure what you really are complaining about to be honest with you. it was your preference to get into this game, it was your choice to spend with your credit and its your choice to make it stop. you can play the game perfectly fine without spending anything and not getting some dumb message "pay to make this banner go away" or "your trial period is over". i have spent some on this game and dont regret any of it except for that i could have spent my gems more wisely in the beginning.
gemboost i NEVER do because credit boosters are free (yes i said free, because i get plenty of credits throughout the day and from lady).

about your cards from tavern, the game predetermines on random what card you will get if you pick a card and adds the others as "decoratiion" to motivate you to spin again. just like a slotmachine would do it. again, credits are for free and you are not forced to spend gems.
you can enjoy the game by not spending anything, just as you are now.

[cnn1_7545681]

Close this thread someone, if not Ill rant curses and get it closed, ty

[DaBooMan]

Most random things in gaming have a set system.
Those big 'random' slot machines ain't random at all.
They are just random on which sequence of spins it goes on.
When thing are random you can not see before hand what is going to happen.
Everyone knows that this game aint random.
Quit bitching or stop playing if it bothers you that much.

[Andy]

I am really getting tired of hearing that the game is rigged because it does not work the way you want it to work. It works as designed and therefore it is not rigged. If it was designed not to predetermine what you get and instead actually shuffle the cards (yes I know that is what the button says) and place them on the slots and then move then around after you pick one then it would be rigged because you did not get the card that was in the spot that you picked. The way it is, the card you get is determined at random using the odds set on the game (and not stated anywhere). Since this is the way it is supposed to work then it is not rigged.

The problem is with the player's expectations and that is because there is no explanation as to how the game actually works provided by Tynon. Just because it does not meet your or some one elses expectations it does not mean it is rigged.

When I buy a lottery ticket my expectation is to win. Is the lottery rigged because I do not? In this case my expectation is unfounded because in the back of the ticket it gives you the odds of winning. In the case of the Tavern the way it works is documented in the wiki. The -New-to-the-game-Read-This! sticky thread in the Newbie Welcome section of the forum says Visit the Tynon Wiki at http://tynon.wikia.com. There is an old saying that you can lead a horse to water but you can not make it drink. By extension the horse should not complain if it becomes thirsty.

[Yelsha]

It just all depends on luck. Yes, sometimes it takes me over 2M credits to boost for Cerb in the morning. Then afternoon I get to 80% using just 4 clicks... not a single fail, that is. It all balances out.

The, "random number," generators they use in the computer games are not truly random, since its not possible to code one.
They rely on long strings, or sequences of pre-generated values.
Hence, its possible to have a long string of bad luck but also possible to have a long string of good luck.
Same applies to every aspect of the game. One morning, I spent 60M coins and got ZERO fragments. Later that night, I spent another 60M and got 30 fragments, hence I do not complain about getting 0 fragments in the morning.
Sometimes in Tavern I'll get 3 golds/purples 4-5 times in a row, then right after go 30 refreshes of only whites/blues.

Even if it costed me 2M credits EVERY TIME, I'd say its still worth it since I get well over 10M credits each 1.25B banish and still a good 3-4M every 250M banish.
Boosting for Rag you usually will not recover your credits unless you are one of the top players on your server, but its usually done for reputation or fun.

Also, if you think about it in terms of gems, doing 80% boost using gems would cost 20 gems, which can buy you 2M credits at fair and up 10M credits for me at shrine right now. Currently, it seems on average it costs well less than 1M credits to boost to 80%, so boosting is credits is worth it no matter which way you look at it.

How would you like it you could ONLY do boosts using gems, and not credits? Believe it or not, that's how a lot of other similiar games are. Hence, allowing players to boost with credits is a great favor Tynon is doing the players.

[Swagmaster_556383]

The lottery is very different, as it is truly based on random chance and anyone who plays has exactly the same odds of winning. As for the cards, I don't have a problem with it not giving me the card I wanted. I play the lottery as well and when I don't win I know this is because the numbers I chose did not match the numbers pulled. But when I pick a card in the Tavern and do not get the card I wanted I know it is because the game has predetermined, or rigged, the outcome. It is the removal of chance from the equation that makes it rigged. There is no chance element in this and that is what makes it rigged.

[Andy]

The lottery is very different, as it is truly based on random chance and anyone who plays has exactly the same odds of winning. As for the cards, I don't have a problem with it not giving me the card I wanted. I play the lottery as well and when I don't win I know this is because the numbers I chose did not match the numbers pulled. But when I pick a card in the Tavern and do not get the card I wanted I know it is because the game has predetermined, or rigged, the outcome. It is the removal of chance from the equation that makes it rigged. There is no chance element in this and that is what makes it rigged.

Then by your definition every game is rigged because every game is a computer program and the results are always predetermined. I will grant yo that it could be programmed to truly shuffle the cards and give was in the position that you pick, but if they did that then they you have to significantly reduce the number of times that a Gold or Purple hero appeared in order to maintain the odds that the game designers decided should be used for getting a Purple of Gold hero. If they did that then the number of Spirits awarded would go down.

What it comes down to is that the game was designed to behave this way. It is actually documented in the wiki that that is the way it behaves. You chose to play the game of your own free will, so I do not see why you should accuse the designers of rigging the game, and that is what you are doing sibe the game behaves as design. You obviously do not agree with the design and would like them to change it, but the designers have done nothing wrong. They do listen to the players about changes to the game (I.E. making removal of lv 4 and above chips free and allow staking in the bank to go up to 99) so discussion of design changes is a good thing.

My objection is that "rigged" has a connotation of being deceiving. Since the behaviour of the Tavern id documented in the wiki, there is no deception involved.

[keltickitten_5766997]

I guess my point is this. When people begin playing Tynon and see "credit boost", that's what they expect to get, a credit boost. They don't expect to click the credit boost button then see a "Credit Boost Failed" notification. As for the cards, it is not predetermined because the card always falls directly next to the card you chose. There is no way possible for this to happen on a predetermined scale. Where you click determines where that card ends up and it is never where you clicked. Say what you will, the reality of it is that it's a sham. The only thing that is predetermined is the fact that you are not getting that card, period.

Now the way I see it, there can only be one of two reasons why this game is rigged: 1. the greedy folks who made the game wanted to force free players to spend real money on gems if they wanted the boosts or hero cards, or 2. the game is bugged. In either event, it makes for a lousy player experience for those who are not spending money and this in turn causes frustration. As anyone with even the slightest business sense knows, when you make yourself look a swindler or a sham, you tend to lose valuable customers. I'm a case in point. I am very competitive by nature and when I began playing this game, I spent money on it. I'm a 41 year old web and game developer who makes around 46k a year and I am by no means poor. Had I not come to the conclusion that this game is rigged to the extreme and screwed players over who used credits (which are free) so they would spend money of gems, I would have continued to spend money on the game.

I totally agree on that, but I deceided just to play and not to put my money in the game that much anymore. I do buy gems, but spend than on what matters. I try to boost, fails, I will not boost and just be happy with what I got.
I prefer to use those credits for things that really power me up, like saving when my next rune slot has to open, upgrading my talents and so on. I might spend some gems on buying them, but not on boosts.

I never flip over additional cards, because I never had 3 rare heroes in one deck. Funny enough, I might use some credits to shuffle the cards on a thuesdag and save the spirits to redeem the hero or card I want later. This goes slower, but it costs nothing. Also, having a card does not mean your sanctifications will work. They might fail, unless you like to pay 100 gems to keep the card. I will never do that with a free card I get from the card brooker. I will only spend 100 gems on a golden hero card that costed me.

In a certain server I do not buy anymore. I just collect the gems from my activities and use them when I need them. Like when I have enough to open a socket in an upgraded equipement or so.

This is what I do. You do get gems when you start the game. Do not waste them and you might get far without spending. Spending might make you grow faster, but does not make you a better player.

I have the same frustration, but I deceided to save my money and energy. This game is fun and I really do not have to be a top player for that. I might grow slower. I might lose more battles and need more time to defeat bosses, but I will make me prouder in the end, since I did it and it costed me less than the person who spent tons on it.

[SPAWN_901238]

You people should all check yourselves. I never see anything nice in these forums anymore. Fix your lives and remember this is a game.

[DrthCaedus]

The lottery is very different, as it is truly based on random chance and anyone who plays has exactly the same odds of winning. As for the cards, I don't have a problem with it not giving me the card I wanted. I play the lottery as well and when I don't win I know this is because the numbers I chose did not match the numbers pulled. But when I pick a card in the Tavern and do not get the card I wanted I know it is because the game has predetermined, or rigged, the outcome. It is the removal of chance from the equation that makes it rigged. There is no chance element in this and that is what makes it rigged.

Hey swag...you do realize that the meaning of shuffle means to move cards right? The cards move because there is a shuffle, you can't get mad at that lol. Admitidely you could get mad at the seemingly impossible number of failures, but once you recognize that it is actually related to specific odds on the hero. (adam is perhaps a 1/200 chance, blood 1/300, cianna 1/50, etc.) you see how fair the predictable the tavern really is, and I just enjoy flipping the cards over it's not a ripoff in anyway as it becomes rather obvious after about 3 or 4 days that the tavern is not a 1/5 chance. I do think they should make that clear however.