What a Ripoff

[Swagmaster_556383]

Gem Boosts have a very high success rate, because we don't want people spending Gems and having them fail. Credit Boosts do not have anywhere close to a 95% fail rate, and that is absurd. The success rate is at least 10x higher than that. And using it is optional. If you want to offer legitimate criticism of the game, or offer suggestions, please do so. But don't try to make things look bad to get your point across.

Are you sure about that? When I was using credit boosts for things like Cerberus, Baal and Ragnarok, nearly every attempt failed. I would make 9 or 10 attempts and if I was lucky one of them would succeed, yet the credits were gone. Say what you like, this is something that MANY folks who play the game have experienced. And besides, why even have a fail rate for credit boosts, unless you are trying to force people to spend money for gems? What is the harm in letting folks get what they're expecting? To offer credit boosts and then have them "fail" is a pretty sorry way to run a game if you ask me. It's akin to false advertisement because the only way you even learn about the high chance of failure is to click the button that says credit boost and see that alert that the boost failed. As for the cards being rigged, let me elaborate a bit because it seems there is some misunderstanding about what I said. In the Heavenly Tavern, you have 5 cards. They are lined up and shown then turned over. Now let's say you see a couple purples and an orange. You click on the card that held the orange and suddenly the card is right next to the card you clicked. It isn't 2 cards over or 3 cards over, it is right next to your chosen card. However, if you click on any other cards, it is in the exact spot you saw it. I have done this using credits for reshuffles many times and every time it is the same.

[Kalatron]

Are you sure about that? When I was using credit boosts for things like Cerberus, Baal and Ragnarok, nearly every attempt failed. I would make 9 or 10 attempts and if I was lucky one of them would succeed, yet the credits were gone. Say what you like, this is something that MANY folks who play the game have experienced. And besides, why even have a fail rate for credit boosts, unless you are trying to force people to spend money for gems? What is the harm in letting folks get what they're expecting? To offer credit boosts and then have them "fail" is a pretty sorry way to run a game if you ask me. It's akin to false advertisement because the only way you even learn about the high chance of failure is to click the button that says credit boost and see that alert that the boost failed. As for the cards being rigged, let me elaborate a bit because it seems there is some misunderstanding about what I said. In the Heavenly Tavern, you have 5 cards. They are lined up and shown then turned over. Now let's say you see a couple purples and an orange. You click on the card that held the orange and suddenly the card is right next to the card you clicked. It isn't 2 cards over or 3 cards over, it is right next to your chosen card. However, if you click on any other cards, it is in the exact spot you saw it. I have done this using credits for reshuffles many times and every time it is the same.

Credit boosts do not fail as much as you say, it seems pretty random to me if they fail or succeed. Many times I have gotten 80% boost for 4 clicks. Some days you are lucky and some you aren't.

[Rocco]

As for the cards being rigged, let me elaborate a bit because it seems there is some misunderstanding about what I said. In the Heavenly Tavern, you have 5 cards.

Swag makes a good point here - they should NOT have created Tavern as choosing 1 in 5 cards. This leads new players to think it is a 1 in 5 chance and is very frustrating for a new player that has very little credits. Sure, the player will quickly realize the whole card picking thing is just a facade masking a much lower chance (maybe 1-2% for a gold?). If that player sticks around long enough, it will eventually not bother him at all (since he will realize those are rare cards that he will have many chances to "roll" for), but a lot of players may quit before then because of stuff like this and they'll just spread negative opinions about the game.

[Deucalion]

Swag makes a good point here - they should NOT have created Tavern as choosing 1 in 5 cards. This leads new players to think it is a 1 in 5 chance and is very frustrating for a new player that has very little credits. Sure, the player will quickly realize the whole card picking thing is just a facade masking a much lower chance (maybe 1-2% for a gold?). If that player sticks around long enough, it will eventually not bother him at all (since he will realize those are rare cards that he will have many chances to "roll" for), but a lot of players may quit before then because of stuff like this and they'll just spread negative opinions about the game.

I agree to a point, but with a few minutes of asking around or browsing the forum, the info is widely known. Almost anyone that's been playing for over a month can tell you that everything in this game is predetermined, and I think we are all okay with that. If not, many of us wouldn't be here. It's not a rip-off, trickery or any other scam. This is an optional game and always will be. Spend or don't spend. Play or don't play. Have fun or don't.

The only thing I have ever not agreed with is when three gold cards are in the deck, and you flip 3 (for 10 + 50 gems) and somehow you still don't get a gold card. That has happened to me twice in the 9-10 months tynon have been around. Not bad odds.

[Rocco]

I agree to a point, but with a few minutes of asking around or browsing the forum, the info is widely known. Almost anyone that's been playing for over a month can tell you that everything in this game is predetermined, and I think we are all okay with that. If not, many of us wouldn't be here. It's not a rip-off, trickery or any other scam. This is an optional game and always will be. Spend or don't spend. Play or don't play. Have fun or don't.

Like I said, people that stick around will eventually come to understand it and have no issues with it, but every player will go through this frustration that Swag is feeling before getting there. You think every single one of them will ask in guild chat or forums? You think every single one of them will be given a proper explanation? Heck, look at this thread. The other replies don't even properly address the issue that he expressed about tavern. Just saying uCool could have and should have thought of something else.

[Jewels]

I spend a little - and there are a lot of 'free' options
I don't like running after the lady for an hour every night -but she does pay for those buffs (banish/rag)

"Random" (starting to hate that word lol) anyway the randomness and luck lets many play for free while succeeding in the game -

I complain as much as the next player about tavern/cardbroker/boost fails/quirks and glitches/lag/content etc.

but as many have posted 'what you see is what you get' you don't have to pay and you don't have to play.

[MisChief]

Boosting is optional. It helps, but it fails. I have found that it has a sort of pattern that changes every 3 days. In other words, one day will be very few fails, next day more, last day it's awful, then good again. In the law of averages, this does level out. It has been my personal experience that it's about 5-1, maybe 6-1 on avg. In tavern I have won cards on the 10 gem pick. But since the latest patches I don't use any gems unless I see at least 3 cards I would take. Just don't spend more in tavern than you can afford. When I go I really hope for lots of spirits, and have bought the majority of hero cards that way. If you spin one it's like a bonus.

I get frustrated like everyone, but if you just take it for what it is you'll enjoy your experience better.

[kaisim_2492829]

When I began playing this game, I shelled out quite a bit of money for extra perks. In general, the game is pretty cool and I don't mind investing in something I like. But after playing for a month or so, I began to see just how much of a ripoff this game really is. Consider boosts for instance. Gem boosts almost always work, but credit boosts fail around 95% of the time. Then there is the Heavenly Tavern; when a decent card comes up, it will almost never be where you click, regardless where you click. For instance, when you click on the card that held the hero, the hero will always be the next card over; but when you click the card next to where you saw the hero, the hero card will be exactly where you saw it. This is so predictable it's funny. The game makers will tell you this is random, but I took the liberty of running the numbers through a statistics program and the odds of the cards falling the way they fall on a randomly generated system is 0:1; in other words, it would never happen.

Everything in this game is designed to force players to spend real money. Were it simply a matter of offering extra perks for money, this wouldn't be a bad thing; most online games do this and they make a pretty hefty profit out of it, so long as the game is enjoyable. But when a game deliberately sabotages the in-game efforts of non paying members in an attempt to force them to pay money just to enjoy the game, it amounts to extortion. As a web and game developer, I find this appalling and I refuse to spend money on a sham (a note to Tynon admins: if you look at my account, you will see that I stopped spending money on your game months ago; prior to that, I spent quite a bit. You do the math).

My suggestion to anyone reading this would be to leave Tynon alone. The game developers are greedy and manipulative and completely out of line. They consider you, the player, too stupid to realize you are being screwed. But given their tendency to lie and manipulate, I doubt my post will stay live on here for long...

i am not so sure what you really are complaining about to be honest with you. it was your preference to get into this game, it was your choice to spend with your credit and its your choice to make it stop. you can play the game perfectly fine without spending anything and not getting some dumb message "pay to make this banner go away" or "your trial period is over". i have spent some on this game and dont regret any of it except for that i could have spent my gems more wisely in the beginning.
gemboost i NEVER do because credit boosters are free (yes i said free, because i get plenty of credits throughout the day and from lady).

about your cards from tavern, the game predetermines on random what card you will get if you pick a card and adds the others as "decoratiion" to motivate you to spin again. just like a slotmachine would do it. again, credits are for free and you are not forced to spend gems.
you can enjoy the game by not spending anything, just as you are now.

[cnn1_7545681]

Close this thread someone, if not Ill rant curses and get it closed, ty

[DaBooMan]

Most random things in gaming have a set system.
Those big 'random' slot machines ain't random at all.
They are just random on which sequence of spins it goes on.
When thing are random you can not see before hand what is going to happen.
Everyone knows that this game aint random.
Quit bitching or stop playing if it bothers you that much.