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    Lightbulb Synergia: Its Advantages and Disadvantages (As well as some solutions.)

    March 6, 2014

    SYNERGIA: ITS ADVANTAGES AND DISADVANTAGES

    On March 4, 2014 uCool, Inc. introduced the rune “Synergia” to the Rune Chest. In viewing the Synergia window it is fairly easy to understand. The top half of the window provides you with three pieces of information on two lines.

    UNDERSTANDING THE SYNERGIA WINDOW

    1.) Synergia [The rune name.]
    2.) Experience +1,200 [This is important because, this is what it takes to level-up a rune.]
    3.) 600,000 [The cost of (1) Synergia rune, priced in Coins.]

    The bottom half of the Synergia window is easy to understand too.

    1.) How many Synergia runes that you want.
    2.) How much each Synergia rune will cost.
    3.) How many Coins that you have available.

    THE ADVANTAGES OF THE SYNERGIA RUNE

    The advantage to using the Synergia rune is primarily just one thing. By clicking on the “Buy” button for Synergia, you will get exactly what is promised, “One Synergia, for 600,000 Coins, plus, +1,200 Experience that you can combine with any rune, so to work towards accomplishing leveling-up the rune, to the next rune level.” There is nothing wrong with this at all, but there are “significant disadvantages” for the experienced Tynon member.

    THE DISADVANTAGES OF THE SYNERGIA RUNE

    What the Synergia alternative will not do for you is this… “Most important of all runes are known as “Fragments”. When you acquire 5, 20 or 100 of these fragments you can use them to purchase the “Specialty Runes” that will make your Heroes “much more powerful”, and at a faster pace.” For ex., the rune “Vigor” when leveled-up, will provide your Hero with an additional +1,000 in “Health”. But when you use 20 rune fragments, you can purchase “Vitality”, which is a more powerful rune than Vigor, and when you level-up the Vitality rune, you will receive +2,000 in Health, every time. As you can see, by using the fragments to purchase specialty runes, that your rewards will be doubled. This is true for the little runes, such as “Block” and “Critical”. The more basic rune when leveled-up, will only provide you with +8 to what you already had, whereas the upper-level rune will provide you +16 when you level-up. Also, there is a better multiplier for each existing level that you have for that specific rune, meaning, “When you acquire the fragment-based upper-level rune, such as Vigor into Vitality, what used to be a level 5 Vigor worth +5,000 in Health, drops one level, and becomes a level 4 Vitality worth +8,000 in Health. So “obviously” the fragments that you receive via the Rune Temple provide you “a greater benefit” then the Synergia window and rune can do.

    Also, another disadvantage to using the Synergia window is… “You will not receive any mid-level runes such as, “Eagle”, “Tactics”, or “Wall”.” What this means then, “If you use Synergia consistently, then your opponents in time will defeat you, with all else being equal, because they have the better runes.

    A SOLUTION FOR SYNERGIA

    Since Synergia simplifies the procedure too much, and Tynon members are “dissatisfied” in losing their prized specialty runes and fragments this way, and justifiably so, then what is needed is a solution. This is what uCool needs to do…

    Allow members, “the design use, and convenience of Synergia”, but without the loss of specialty runes and fragments. “Specialty Runes” will be defined as “Upper Level Runes” such a “Bane” and “Vitality”, and so on. So provided that a Tynon member’s Rune Chest has the room for it, what will transpire is, “Acquiring (1) Synergia rune, “minus” the Experience value of the specialty rune which would be, (120 Exp.).” This would require “two rune slots”, and if the mid-level runes are wanted, then the Rune Temple would have to be utilized. Fragments would become a more difficult problem to solve, because they are usually acquired in the Rune Temple, and the Rune Chest currently does not allow them to utilize a slot. Therefore the solution could be relatively simple if… “uCool uses the same percentages for the Rune Temple, and applies them to the Synergia situation, then Tynon members would still receive “prized runes and fragments”, without the expected loss of key Tynon pieces.” The solution for the fragments would be, “in simply adding in the new fragment to the “fragment total” as “a simple numerical addition”.” Although a brief pop-up window would be needed so that the Tynon member will be made aware of their “good fortune”, just as in the Lady Guinevere chase. Therefore, “Solving the complaints of good Tynon members is not that difficult at all, and would result in more satisfied Tynon members.


    THE OPPORTUNITY IN SYNERGIA

    If you happen to be one of those “Mult-Million Power Players” whose runes are already upper-level runes, and you do not need any other specialty runes or fragments, then the Synergia decision can become a fast and convenient way to level-up the existing runes that you have.


    A BRIEF COMPARISON:
    THE RUNE TEMPLE VS. THE SYNERGIA WINDOW

    In the two trial tests below, I did a comparison to compare “the pricing of Synergia”, to “the equivalent in the Rune Temple” using “1,200 Experience”, as the common denominator, and seeking to determine, “what the difference in cost actually is”. The results are as follows, and as you will see in this test, Synergia is priced “reasonably”.

    As you will notice below, the first test achieved 1,200 Exp. at the cost of 650,000 coins. And the second test shows that for 1,170 Exp., the cost was 600,000 coins the same as with Synergia.

    SYNERGIA
    Quantity
    Experience
    Coins
    1
    1,200
    600,000
    RUNE TEMPLE
    (TEST I)
    Runes (Various)
    Experience
    Coin Totals
    11,056,000
    Auto Pray (1)
    210
    10,862,000
    Sell Runes
    10,901,000
    Auto Pray (2)
    330
    10,705,000
    Sell Runes
    10,739,000
    Auto Pray (3)
    390
    10,541,000
    Sell Runes
    10,563,000
    Auto Pray (4)
    270
    10,375,000
    Sell Runes
    10,406,000
    1,200
    650,000
    (TEST II)
    Runes (Various)
    Experience
    Coin Totals
    10,406,000
    Auto Pray (5)
    360
    10,192,000
    Sell Runes
    10,223,000
    Auto Pray (6)
    240
    10,053,000
    Sell Runes
    10,078,000
    Auto Pray (7)
    120
    10,018,000
    Sell Runes
    10,018,000*
    Auto Pray (8)
    450
    9,786,000
    Sell Runes
    9,806,000
    1,170
    600,000

    In closing, I hope that this study on the Synergy rune will provide you the insights that you will need in order to make the decisions that will enable you, to become that more powerful Tynon member, that everyone tries to become. It is this quest, that becomes your Tynon destiny.

    NOTE (*): On Auto-Pray #7, I did not have any runes to sell.

    With Respect,
    TynonTiger
    Last edited by effeminate_1999125; 03-06-2014 at 10:12 PM.

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    I do not understand what you are asking for. If it is that you get a random Gold Rune every time you buy a Sinergia, then I am against it. The the cost of synergia does not warrant a Gold Rune.

    As far as I can see the purpose of Sinergia is so that you do not have to so all the manual clicking to get the runes used to upgrade other runes and nothing else. That is what you are buying is the chip experience and nothing more. It is not meant to be a replacement for the Rune Temple. If it were it would make the 'Combine lower level Runes' that some players got by upgrading their VIP level meaningless.

    One thing that I think that can be done to make the Rune temple less of a chore is to get rid of the 'Sell all' button and have it done automatically when the 'Rune Chest Full' message goes away. This will reduce the number of clicks needed by a significant amount and it does not affect the 'Combine lower level Runes' since you still have to do the Sell All if you are using it.

    This is my opinion as a player anyway.
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    I agree with Andy here.

    I don't see why there's a solution, if there's no problem at all?

    Using Synergia is cheaper than using the RT, gaining more xp for the same amount of coins.

    The tradeoff is that you won't get any frags or unique runes.

    Simple. Effective.


    It has reduced the time to level a rune from 11 to 12 from 2hrs to 5mins.

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    To Andy: [Mar. 6, 2014] You said, "I do not understand... if it is that you get a Gold Rune every time you buy a Synergia, then I am against it. The cost of Synergia does not warrant a Gold Rune." I always appreciate an honest answer/question, it is something that I Respect. I will answer your question by quoting my own Thread... "Therefore the solution could be relatively simple if… “uCool uses the same percentages for the Rune Temple, and applies them to the Synergia situation, then Tynon members would still receive “prized runes and fragments”." The beauty in this quote is, "the fairness of its logic". What I mean by that is, "uCool would be changing nothing" in that sense, because, "it is the SAME PERCENTAGES". Therefore, I am not asking for a "Gold Rune every time". BUT, the cost of Synergia "does warrant" a gold rune, or fragment, from time-to-time because, the price of 600,000 coins for 1,200 Experience is about the same for both. Therefore, "the percentages" should apply for both also, it is only "fair" to the Tynon member. If we do not apply the same percentages for the same price, "Then we are cheating our customers."

    Your second paragraph may, or may not be true, but as far as I know, "Most people are not of VIP status." Therefore, your paragraph does not apply to them. NOTE: I am one of them, I am not of VIP status. And, I do not have a "Combine Lower Level Runes" button.

    In your third paragraph, YOU ARE "ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!" IT IS A GOOD IDEA! As far as when you said, "This will reduce the number of clicks needed by a significant amount...". With my idea, "You can reduce the number of clicks needed too." AND, "You would not be reducing the normal amount of gold runes or fragments, because "the percentages of winning those would remain the same." So you have lost nothing, and gained "convenience" and precious runes and fragments.

    I appreciated your reply. (Good Luck in the Future)

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    Quote Originally Posted by effeminate_1999125 View Post
    To Andy: [Mar. 6, 2014]

    Your second paragraph may, or may not be true, but as far as I know, "Most people are not of VIP status." Therefore, your paragraph does not apply to them. NOTE: I am one of them, I am not of VIP status. And, I do not have a "Combine Lower Level Runes" button.
    An that is my point. Why should players get for free a function that is equivalent to a benefit that players get for being VIP5.
    The opinions expressed on this post are my own as a player, not as a Moderator.

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    Not seriously endorsing this at the moment, but just throwing this out: how about if fragments can be bought too?

    Say, for 3500K you can buy one frag. Then, you have the option of getting either frags OR xp, but not both. So you can have added convenience through the two features, at the trade-off that you can only pick one or the other, and not both.

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    I like it how it is right now. Let's leave it alone and accept that this is a perk for people who don't need frags and already have their end game runes in place.
    If your not a VIP, then accept that you need to spend time leveling your runes.
    Nothing is wrong with it, and it doesn't need fixing.

    @TynonTiger, that was a very well thought out and well written guide. Kudos.


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    Andy this is a huge exploit that Deucalion has posted. Why aren't you editing or deleting it?

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    To Yelsha: [Mar. 7, 2014] You seem to be ok with the idea of getting "either" fragments or experience. I seem to be ok with the idea of getting both. "So why would you argue against your own advantages?" Meaning, "If you apply the same percentages of winning a fragment or specialty rune from the Rune Temple, to the coins that you are already paying for Synergia, then why would you argue against getting "both"?" Fragments are "rare", and Specialty Runes are anywhere from "less rare" to "rare" also. "So to give up, or argue against, getting "either one of these", is effectively to argue against you own success at this game." I do not want to be critical, but that is what I call "looney-tunes". Please bare with me...

    What is needed is a solution "for" good Tynon members, so that they can use Synergia AND get "the same low percentages" in winning specialty runes, and fragments. This "is fair" to Tynon members, and uCool too. If this solution is not used, "Then the smart Tynon player will use the Rune Temple so that they can get those specialty runes and fragments, because, "IT IS TO THEIR ADVANTAGE, AND THEY KNOW IT!" They will not give up on that territory, just for the sake of convenience. But the smart Tynon player will Reason, and Realize, "If we can get the same percentages of specialty runes and fragments, then it is to our "advantage" to use the Synergia window. If not, then the "advantage" would be to use the Rune Temple, and the "Combine All" button."

    PS: You ask, "Why shouldn't we just be able to by fragments?" It is a nice idea, and I am ok with it, but, I do not believe that uCool will permit it. Also, it would take some of the fun/surprise out of the game, and more than likely, everyone would end up with the same upper-level runes. Also, if you could buy fragments, then it would only be logical, to base the price of fragments on the same corporate averages that are currently used today, in relation to, the total amount spent on average, to acquire one rune fragment. So there is the chance that your recommended price is too low. If so, I think that I would rather win the fragments "for free".

    I hope that this answers your questions, and provides some insight.

    Respectfully,
    TynonTiger

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    effeminate_1999125 I am not going to quote the above post to save space. My argument against this change is that all players would be getting a function that is better that what VIP players had to pay to get. The 'combine all lower level runes' would become useless for us (I am VIP8).
    The opinions expressed on this post are my own as a player, not as a Moderator.

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    I concur with Andy, hence the tradeoff. People have either paid, or put in tons of hours in runes, or have done both in order to get where they are with runes now. But I don't think its unreasonable for them to also offer the option of purchasing fragments without getting runes or xp, just like we now have the option of purchasing xp only. However, I don't think offering such an option should be a high priority now, I was just throwing it out there as an idea.

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