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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawnseeker View Post
    Thanks for these thoughtful suggestions. Synergia is not meant to complete replace the Rune Temple. It is meant as an alternative for those who only want to level a rune and don't need fragments and gold runes. If we made Synergia any better, it would undermine the use of the Rune Temple completely.
    Amen. Thank you Dawn....

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    To Andy: [Mar. 7, 2014] I am not going to enter into a debate about, "Whose button is better?". So I will just go to the end of the debate, "The "Combine All" button is better." Your button, "Combine All Lower Level Runes", makes more work for you because, you have to do something with all those upper-level runes, I don't have to bother with it. All I have to do is take out the upper-level rune that I want to keep, (which does not happen often), and then combine all of the rest.

    So your Complaint about losing the "Combine All Lower-Level Runes" button, only proves to show, that you have not thought this through thoroughly. Also, I am glad to hear that you are VIP 8 but, you should not reduce everything down to just one button. Your VIP 8 Status "provides you with many more benefits", and the game is still in "beta", so everything is subject to change. Therefore, if uCool, or one of my ideas, or someone else's, changes the game, and your button becomes "meaningless", then so be it. At least it has become a better game, and to the benefit of everyone else, whether they can afford the VIP status, or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by effeminate_1999125 View Post
    To Andy: [Mar. 7, 2014] I am not going to enter into a debate about, "Whose button is better?". So I will just go to the end of the debate, "The "Combine All" button is better." Your button, "Combine All Lower Level Runes", makes more work for you because, you have to do something with all those upper-level runes, I don't have to bother with it. All I have to do is take out the upper-level rune that I want to keep, (which does not happen often), and then combine all of the rest.

    So your Complaint about losing the "Combine All Lower-Level Runes" button, only proves to show, that you have not thought this through thoroughly. Also, I am glad to hear that you are VIP 8 but, you should not reduce everything down to just one button. Your VIP 8 Status "provides you with many more benefits", and the game is still in "beta", so everything is subject to change. Therefore, if uCool, or one of my ideas, or someone else's, changes the game, and your button becomes "meaningless", then so be it. At least it has become a better game, and to the benefit of everyone else, whether they can afford the VIP status, or not.
    Will you be willing to refund me some of the money that I spend on becoming VIP? I know that Tynon will not. You are making something I paid for obsolete.
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    Dawnseeker said that Sinergia is not meant to replace the temple. Unless some one comes up with a reason why not to, I will close this tread.

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    To Dawnseeker & hjam_8879649 [Mar. 8, 2014] I do not mean to be too hard on you but, "You two are missing the entire point." As Dawnseeker stated: "Synergia is not meant to completely replace the Rune Temple." So what is wrong with that statement?

    1.) uCool, Inc. designed it, and they had, "no intentions of replacing the Rune Temple."
    2.) I did not conceive it, or design it, I simply analyzed the situation. NOTE: I never argued to replace the Rune Temple.

    What I find interesting is, "No one has "specifically explained" how my recommendations would effectively replace the Rune Temple, they simply just complain about it." My argument is simple, "Why should people spend "100's of Thousands of Coins", and in return, "receive no benefits", other than for Experience?" (Benefits Defined: Upper-level runes, and Fragments) The second part of my argument is, "uCool should apply "the same percentages" in winning those upper-level runes and fragments, as it does in the Rune Temple." This "does not eliminate" the Rune Temple, what this does is, "To give people, "two ways" to enjoy the game, and there is "nothing wrong with that", that is what I want you to understand.

    So the improvements to Synergia, "does not eliminate" the Rune Temple. What the improvements do is, "To assure that "whichever way you acquire your runes", that you "do not lose the most valued part" of the Rune Temple/Synergia." Meaning, "upper-level runes" and "fragments".

    NOTE: Normally, and including Guild Hosts, "People WILL NOT use Synergia because, of the benefits of the Rune Temple!" So what I am proposing is, "To make uCool's Synergia "more popularly accepted" with most Tynon members, so that the new idea "will be accepted", and so that the game of Tynon, and uCool, Inc., become more of a success, and so that the regular Tynon member will have another way "to enjoy the game". THAT IS WHAT WE "ALL" ARE SUPPOSED TO BE WORKING FOR.

    CONCLUSION: Let's not be criticizing GOOD IDEAS that aid in the success of the game that we all believe in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by effeminate_1999125 View Post
    To Dawnseeker & hjam_8879649 [Mar. 8, 2014] I do not mean to be too hard on you but, "You two are missing the entire point." As Dawnseeker stated: "Synergia is not meant to completely replace the Rune Temple." So what is wrong with that statement?

    1.) uCool, Inc. designed it, and they had, "no intentions of replacing the Rune Temple."
    2.) I did not conceive it, or design it, I simply analyzed the situation. NOTE: I never argued to replace the Rune Temple.

    What I find interesting is, "No one has "specifically explained" how my recommendations would effectively replace the Rune Temple, they simply just complain about it." My argument is simple, "Why should people spend "100's of Thousands of Coins", and in return, "receive no benefits", other than for Experience?" (Benefits Defined: Upper-level runes, and Fragments) The second part of my argument is, "uCool should apply "the same percentages" in winning those upper-level runes and fragments, as it does in the Rune Temple." This "does not eliminate" the Rune Temple, what this does is, "To give people, "two options", and there is "nothing wrong with that", that is what I want you to understand.

    So the improvements to Synergia, "does not eliminate" the Rune Temple. What the improvements do is, "To assure that "whichever way you acquire your runes", that you "do not lose the most valued part" of the Rune Temple/Synergia." Meaning, "upper-level runes" and "fragments".

    NOTE: Normally, and including Guild Hosts, "People WILL NOT use Synergia because, of the benefits of the Rune Temple!" So what I am proposing is, "To make uCool's Synergia "more popularly accepted.", with most Tynon members, so that the new idea "will be accepted", and so that the game of Tynon, and uCool, Inc., become more of a success, and so that the regular Tynon member will have another way "to enjoy the game". THAT IS WHAT WE "ALL" ARE SUPPOSED TO BE WORKING FOR.

    CONCLUSION: Let's not be criticizing GOOD IDEAS that aid in the success of the game that we all believe in.
    YOu seem to have a very narrow sampling. Most players I know like synergia. Some still roll runes old way. Some do a mix of the two.
    Synergia is a much more valuable rune then any other rune that drops. Therefore it should not have the same drop rate as any other rune if it did start dropping.
    The auto combine feature form VIP 5 is a massive time saver. Just like synergia. Auto combine is a benefit you pay for making synergia drop form spinning runes starts to negate the auto combines value.

    Now effeminate do you get it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by effeminate_1999125 View Post
    To Dawnseeker & hjam_8879649 [Mar. 8, 2014] I do not mean to be too hard on you but, "You two are missing the entire point." As Dawnseeker stated: "Synergia is not meant to completely replace the Rune Temple." So what is wrong with that statement?

    1.) uCool, Inc. designed it, and they had, "no intentions of replacing the Rune Temple."
    2.) I did not conceive it, or design it, I simply analyzed the situation. NOTE: I never argued to replace the Rune Temple.

    What I find interesting is, "No one has "specifically explained" how my recommendations would effectively replace the Rune Temple, they simply just complain about it." My argument is simple, "Why should people spend "100's of Thousands of Coins", and in return, "receive no benefits", other than for Experience?" (Benefits Defined: Upper-level runes, and Fragments) The second part of my argument is, "uCool should apply "the same percentages" in winning those upper-level runes and fragments, as it does in the Rune Temple." This "does not eliminate" the Rune Temple, what this does is, "To give people, "two ways" to enjoy the game, and there is "nothing wrong with that", that is what I want you to understand.

    So the improvements to Synergia, "does not eliminate" the Rune Temple. What the improvements do is, "To assure that "whichever way you acquire your runes", that you "do not lose the most valued part" of the Rune Temple/Synergia." Meaning, "upper-level runes" and "fragments".

    NOTE: Normally, and including Guild Hosts, "People WILL NOT use Synergia because, of the benefits of the Rune Temple!" So what I am proposing is, "To make uCool's Synergia "more popularly accepted" with most Tynon members, so that the new idea "will be accepted", and so that the game of Tynon, and uCool, Inc., become more of a success, and so that the regular Tynon member will have another way "to enjoy the game". THAT IS WHAT WE "ALL" ARE SUPPOSED TO BE WORKING FOR.

    CONCLUSION: Let's not be criticizing GOOD IDEAS that aid in the success of the game that we all believe in.
    If using Synergia gives you everything that you get in the temple (Gold runes, fragments and experience to upgrade other runes) at a lower cost, then why would any one use the temple?
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    Quote Originally Posted by effeminate_1999125 View Post

    What I find interesting is, "No one has "specifically explained" how my recommendations would effectively replace the Rune Temple, they simply just complain about it." My argument is simple, "Why should people spend "100's of Thousands of Coins", and in return, "receive no benefits", other than for Experience?" (Benefits Defined: Upper-level runes, and Fragments) The second part of my argument is, "uCool should apply "the same percentages" in winning those upper-level runes and fragments, as it does in the Rune Temple." This "does not eliminate" the Rune Temple, what this does is, "To give people, "two ways" to enjoy the game, and there is "nothing wrong with that", that is what I want you to understand.

    So the improvements to Synergia, "does not eliminate" the Rune Temple. What the improvements do is, "To assure that "whichever way you acquire your runes", that you "do not lose the most valued part" of the Rune Temple/Synergia." Meaning, "upper-level runes" and "fragments".

    NOTE: Normally, and including Guild Hosts, "People WILL NOT use Synergia because, of the benefits of the Rune Temple!" So what I am proposing is, "To make uCool's Synergia "more popularly accepted" with most Tynon members, so that the new idea "will be accepted", and so that the game of Tynon, and uCool, Inc., become more of a success, and so that the regular Tynon member will have another way "to enjoy the game". THAT IS WHAT WE "ALL" ARE SUPPOSED TO BE WORKING FOR.

    CONCLUSION: Let's not be criticizing GOOD IDEAS that aid in the success of the game that we all believe in.

    yea people like to spend "100's of Thousands of Coins", and in return, "receive no benefits", other than for Experience this is why synergia was added in the game for those players, you are probabaly not at that stage yet in the game so just use the rune temple how you did earlier and imagine synergia does not exist and there is no good idea in this thread which is going to make the game more successful.
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    The Complete Answer to Andy's Question, and Dawnseeker's Statements.

    Quote Originally Posted by Andy View Post
    If using Synergia gives you everything that you get in the temple, (Gold runes, fragments and experience to upgrade other runes), at a lower cost, then why would any one use the temple?
    Andy has asked, A REAL QUESTION, "and it is a good question", so I am going to answer it, but this may take some explaining.

    Andy's first mistake is using the word "everything". If you reread my article, it is not about getting "everything". What it is trying to do, is to "resolve the complaints of other Tynon members about Synergia". And they complain about not getting their Gold Runes, and Fragments. By putting up the article, "I am acknowledging that their complaints "are valid", and "need to be addressed". Also, in order for me to have a good article/idea, "I have to come up with "solutions" for their concerns."

    In rereading the article, "ONLY" the Gold Runes and Fragments is the issue being addressed, on the behalf of other Guild Hosts and Members. What that means is... "EVERYTHING ELSE YOU HAVE TO GET FROM THE TEMPLE!" (This is how you know that I am not trying to get rid of the temple.)

    These are some of the things that you will have to go to the temple to get, with my proposal.

    Rune Guide
    Agility Increases Dodge Rating 5 Fragments
    Artisanship Increases Skill Damage 5 Fragments
    Eradicator Increases Break Rating 5 Fragments
    Focused Increases Magic Damage 5 Fragments
    Hawkishness Increases Hit Rating 5 Fragments
    Partisan Increases Initial Morale 5 Fragments
    Phantom Increases Resilience 5 Fragments
    Retaliation Increases Physical Damage 5 Fragments
    Superiority Increases Critical Hit Rating 5 Fragments
    Vigor Increases Max HP 5 Fragments
    Wall Increases Block Rating 5 Fragments
    Crusader Increases Initial Morale
    Cunning Increases Resilience Rating
    Destruction Increases Break Rating
    Eagle Increases Hit Rating
    Mesa Reduces Physical Damage Taken
    Tactics Reduces Skill Damage Taken
    Tranquility Reduces Magic Damage Taken
    Guildmaster Increases Skill Damage
    Mountain Reduces Physical Damage Taken
    Trance Increases Magic Damage

    NOTE: With the above table in place, it is "easy to see" that "almost Two Dozen items" are needed at the Rune Temple. Therefore, IT SHOULD BE "OBVIOUS" THAT I AM NOT EFFECTIVELY WORKING TOWARDS ELIMINATING THE RUNE TEMPLE.

    NOTE: 20 Rune "Fragments" are needed to purchase the upper-level runes. This cannot be accomplished with Synergia, or by eliminating the Rune Temple. So again, you can see that I am not trying to effectively reduce the Rune Temple to rubble. Thus, "The Temple is Needed."

    NOTE: As Dawnseeker has stated, on March 7th, 9:04 PM (Page 2)

    "Thanks for these thoughtful suggestions. Synergia is not meant to completely replace the Rune Temple. It is meant as an alternative for those who only want to level a rune and don't need fragments and gold runes. If we made Synergia any better, it would undermine the use of the Rune Temple completely."

    NOTE: Dawnseeker should have everyone's Respect, because of his managerial position. Nevertheless, I can disagree with him and be right. And if he is as Intelligent as I suspect, he would like to know where he is wrong, and where I am right.

    First, I understand that Synergia was not meant to replace the Rune Temple. And as I have been trying to show, "I am not proposing that." Also, my improvements to Synergia "will not" effectively destroy the temple's necessity. Also, using "logic", if Dawnseeker is right, that there are people who "don't need fragments and gold runes", then without the necessity for "Experience", THEN THOSE INDIVIDUALS HAVE ALREADY ELIMINATED THE NEED FOR THE TEMPLE, BY THE GREAT DEGREE OF THEIR TYNON SUCCESS. (Without the need for Experience, "They do not need the Temple, because they do not need to level-up.") In that situation, then Synergia will not be used by them. That means that Synergia is for "everyone else", provided that they still get their money's worth, by receiving the occasional Gold Rune or Fragment. That is why I am proposing this.

    Second, based on Dawnseeker's next comment, "It is only meant.. for those who... do not need fragments and gold runes." This is where I will respectfully disagree with him. "What Dawnseeker has stated is true, but, there is dissatisfaction about its "limited uses". The general consensus is, "We want gold runes and fragments". Without that, some Tynon members find it a poor investment of their coins. So I do not see why so many Tynon members need to be offended by the fact/quote that Synergia is only for Tynon's rich and famous, to quote a show. That makes Synergia a rune, "for only the privileged". What I am proposing is not to destroy the Rune Temple, but to make Synergia "an option for all who want to use it's convenience", without losing the value they place on their coins, because they would still receive "the occasional" Gold Rune or Fragment. Neither do I intent to cheat uCool, Inc. because I have recommended using "the same percentages".

    NOTE: Lastly, VIP members get to summon the Legendary Rune Keeper multiple times/day. That is something else that people are going to need the Rune Temple for. And once again, I am not proposing to do away with the Rune Temple.

    In closing, "I hope that this answers everyone's questions."
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattp169 View Post
    YOu seem to have a very narrow sampling. Most players I know like synergia. Some still roll runes old way. Some do a mix of the two.
    Synergia is a much more valuable rune then any other rune that drops. Therefore it should not have the same drop rate as any other rune if it did start dropping.
    The auto combine feature form VIP 5 is a massive time saver. Just like synergia. Auto combine is a benefit you pay for making synergia drop form spinning runes starts to negate the auto combines value.

    Now effeminate do you get it?
    Minor correction: auto-combine is Vip 6.

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