CWF Crown System needs adjustment

[Riot]

The question comes in, had this rule been in place from the beginning, would I or others would have invested to get up so fast? Knowing eventually the top player will be at a disadvantage, I think many of the top players may have taken a different approach to investing in the game including myself.

Also yes, others should win as well based on their achievement and investment into the game (be it time or money). This should come commensurate to your achievement and not handed to you. The cap should be at max 5 = (25%) in my opinion. Starting with a 25% boost is huge for the top players when you are at the final round. That is like starting with a 5 loss boost. Eventually, people will all catch up and the game play will even itself out.

Also at some point, when the player loses after winning for a while, that means others have finally caught up to the top player. In which case, it does make sense to start losing 1 star per loss. If you lose 4 times in a row to others, it is obvious you cannot win, thus should start to shed your stars to re-balance out.

Keep in mind, others will also power up, and eventually catch up so at the end, it will balance itself out. But to change the rules of the game in mid stream to this extreme is unnecessary and unfair.

[Riot]

Yes, there is a limit. I don't see the correlation.

If PR has gained max stats, and she has 10 crowns, or 20, or 50, she will give her opponent whatever bonus necessary to give that person a chance, correct? And if she is losing, she is not gaining crowns, but the OTHER person is. So when she has so many crowns that the other person wins, he gains a crown, she scales off of HIS crown, and the cycle continues to be a little more even.

Throw a new player into the mix, and he can contend with EITHER player because they've both won many crowns by this point. So now this 3rd player starts getting crowns, etc etc.

But if there was a cap, how many players do you think would reach competitive level, even assuming they get max bonus from the other person's crowns? This is especially true as/if larger players who can contend but aren't quite there yet quit (ie Exec, Bubba, etc). New contenders would have a loooong way to build up before they can contend unless the max cap you speak of is 20-25 crowns (in which case I don't see the complaint as we are nowhere near that just yet, and it can be revisited when it becomes relevant).

Sorry, but I have to disagree with you here. If it takes a person 20 crown boost to win, you do not deserve to win (period). This game has a ceiling. You can only go so high an there are a lot of high end players who are getting there (a little slower, but surely getting there). The cap should be reasonable. If you have 25% boost to start, that is a HUGE boost.

If you need 20 - 30 x 5% = 100% - 150% boost to win... You do not deserve to win. You need to power up some more to be contender.

Cap must be placed into this system, otherwise, this is not a fair system for anyone.

Also if they started this system, everyone should have started with no crowns. To see Bubba and Exec start with 2 crown in the mid-championship was a bit unfair.

[Joker]

the new system is fine stop crying about it cause you invested so much money and thought you would domnitae CW but that's not the case now so its oyur bad judgement and just deal with it instead of complaining. As players power is alway going up a cap will be uselessas the same players will start to win it always once they all hit the cap.

[Herby]

The question comes in, had this rule been in place from the beginning, would I or others would have invested to get up so fast? Knowing eventually the top player will be at a disadvantage, I think many of the top players may have taken a different approach to investing in the game including myself.

Keep in mind, others will also power up, and eventually catch up so at the end, it will balance itself out. But to change the rules of the game in mid stream to this extreme is unnecessary and unfair.

Sorry, but I have to disagree with you here. If it takes a person 20 crown boost to win, you do not deserve to win (period). This game has a ceiling. You can only go so high an there are a lot of high end players who are getting there (a little slower, but surely getting there). The cap should be reasonable. If you have 25% boost to start, that is a HUGE boost.

If you need 20 - 30 x 5% = 100% - 15% boost to win... You do not deserve to win. You need to power up some more to be contender.

Cap must be placed into this system, otherwise, this is not a fair system for anyone.

Also if they started this system, everyone should have started with no crowns. To see Bubba and Exec start with 2 crown in the mid-championship was a bit unfair.

I agree with all of these.

I hope Tynon re-thinks this change.

[mattp169]

I agree with all of these.

I hope Tynon re-thinks this change.

If you agree with this,
tewhn everyone on servers who bought gems before the release of the packs should get compensation, everyone who opened arena stake slots should get every gem back, etc.

The game is ever evolving and changing, you have to expect that. you dont have to be happy with it, but this is how this game works. you think you need to play it one way, and suddenly they change the rules change

Just because pr and others would have spent differently if the new rules would have always been in place doe not mean the rules need changed or adjusted. As I see it with no cap this is just going to cause an alternatining set of winners between 2 or 4 players.
Because there really is no cap yet. There is only a perceived cap. PR you can always clear a bunch of saints on heroes to get better ones. There may be new heroes, bs and talent and rune caps may get raised. new gear may come out.
SO while PR may hit the GLASS ceiling for a while and others start to catch up, new stuff will come and the GLASS ceiling gets higher and PR and others can power up more. PR is further then 75% to the current glass ceiling. hes about 50% of the way there.

Then there is always form and hero choice etc to make things happen.

I mean its not like just because PR get 10 crowns Im going to make it to the finals and beat him. the finals will stay between exec bubba and pr in USA for a while wittha few others getting closer and closer to getting in there Unless something changes and this crown system does not effect that. The couple who are close now to getting to finals may make it there because of the crowns. but I think it would be hard to argue that they are completely undeserving. Besides just cuz you spent the most money pr does not mean you get to decide who is or isnt deserving. This is uCools game and they will do with it as the want. They may take your opinion more seriously then mine.
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This cap is as fair as the other caps in the game and all the other changes mid game for us all. Just deal with it like we all have had to deal with the many changes in the game since beta 2 launch

[Morgan le Fay]

When you win CWF you win some rare items, which greatly boosts your account. Now to put this in perspective on my server the former and current CWF champs have at least 100m power advantage over the rest of the field. Don't get me wrong they are both excellent players and deserved to win their titles but because of the huge benefits they've gained they have pretty much left the field behind. It's making it extremely hard for anyone else who I might add have invested time and money into their accounts too, to ever stand a chance of winning.

Something had to be done to balance this out and a slight handicap is the fairest way of doing this. Once someone else wins, they too will get a handicap giving either the former champ or another player a chance of winning. And so on.

[Riot]

PR you can always clear a bunch of saints on heroes to get better ones. There may be new heroes, bs and talent and rune caps may get raised. new gear may come out.

SO while PR may hit the GLASS ceiling for a while and others start to catch up, new stuff will come and the GLASS ceiling gets higher and PR and others can power up more. PR is further then 75% to the current glass ceiling. hes about 50% of the way there.

I have already stared to clear old saints to replace with new one's. This is very expensive to do at Seraph levels.

But you miss the whole point Matt. You cannot impose an unlimited crown boost. This is unsustainable and unreasonable. What this means is eventually without ever doing anything a 150 mil power player can be boosted eventually to 250% or more and beat other players (as many as there can be) and have done very little to deserve that. The "Championship" should be about who is the strongest player, and not about distributing wins to an undeserving player just because over time, they should win one just because they have been playing long enough and eventually their turn will come up...

Under the current system, everyone who will be winning at the top will eventually hit the crown cap making it impossible to ever win against a player who has never won it which makes the premise behind the "Championship" invalid.

What is this "Championship" supposed to be about? The best of the best right? If you can't win, then work harder to get up there, don't expect freebies with an "unreasonable" handicap.

I never played against Tiger woods in golf and he is a multimillionaire+ because he is good at GOLF. So since I will NEVER be able to beat him, why not give me a 150 stroke handicap? He has won that many crowns... This is essentially, what this system has done.

[mattp169]

I have already stared to clear old saints to replace with new one's. This is very expensive to do at Seraph levels.

But you miss the whole point Matt. You cannot impose an unlimited crown boost. This is unsustainable and unreasonable. What this means is eventually without ever doing anything a 150 mil power player can be boosted eventually to 250% or more and beat other players (as many as there can be) and have done very little to deserve that. The "Championship" should be about who is the strongest player, and not about distributing wins to an undeserving player just because over time, they should win one just because they have been playing long enough and eventually their turn will come up...

Under the current system, everyone who will be winning at the top will eventually hit the crown cap making it impossible to ever win against a player who has never won it which makes the premise behind the "Championship" invalid.

What is this "Championship" supposed to be about? The best of the best right? If you can't win, then work harder to get up there, don't expect freebies with an "unreasonable" handicap.

I never played against Tiger woods in golf and he is a multimillionaire+ because he is good at GOLF. So since I will NEVER be able to beat him, why not give me a 150 stroke handicap? He has won that many crowns... This is essentially, what this system has done.

2 points

1. only a very very very very very very very very very few people even care any more about cwf especially in the USA time zones. Its all about the tickets now - THATS IT. PR has left the field so far behind noone cares

2. What you consider to be the point of CWF/ best of the best may not be what uCool thinks it is - I said the day they announced this CWF it was a bad idea. I still think it is even though I love the tickets. I would have prefered their energy go towards something else. But this is what we got. PR and other spent thousands and thousands to build their accts to dominate CWF. Only about 12 people have a chance of catching PR in the next 3 months. some of them already have crowns as well. And depending on how long it take PR to really reach the glass ceiling and how long after that it takes them to raise it will determine how bored he gets of the game and if he quits or stays. I hope the glass ceiling gets hit soon and no new glass ceiling is released for months. Then we may have a chance of catching up
but unless PR sits at that glass ceiling for over a year do I see anyone outside of about 12 people ever catching him. And at that point he will have tons of crowns and it will be a alternating winner between 3 or 4 people for a while, and at taht point there really wont be much of a point for pr to win because he wont need the rewards because he is at the glass ceiling. And its not like nayone is going to beat him and go NOW IM THE BEST I beat PR when he had 7 crowns and I had 0, that proves I am better the PR.
People have been begging for a handicap system in CWF and GWF - well we got them now.

ANd for you PR to get the 50 crowns to give someone a 250% boost will take about 2 years at the current rate. So I wouldnt worry about it. You are making a mountain out of a mole hill

[Joker]

I have already stared to clear old saints to replace with new one's. This is very expensive to do at Seraph levels.

But you miss the whole point Matt. You cannot impose an unlimited crown boost. This is unsustainable and unreasonable. What this means is eventually without ever doing anything a 150 mil power player can be boosted eventually to 250% or more and beat other players (as many as there can be) and have done very little to deserve that. The "Championship" should be about who is the strongest player, and not about distributing wins to an undeserving player just because over time, they should win one just because they have been playing long enough and eventually their turn will come up...

Under the current system, everyone who will be winning at the top will eventually hit the crown cap making it impossible to ever win against a player who has never won it which makes the premise behind the "Championship" invalid.

What is this "Championship" supposed to be about? The best of the best right? If you can't win, then work harder to get up there, don't expect freebies with an "unreasonable" handicap.

I never played against Tiger woods in golf and he is a multimillionaire+ because he is good at GOLF. So since I will NEVER be able to beat him, why not give me a 150 stroke handicap? He has won that many crowns... This is essentially, what this system has done.

250% boost meeans the players must have won CW 50 times so YES he should not win anymore, the best of the best will still be deiced by who has more crowns not by who won it last.

[DrthCaedus]

There is no need to tweak the crown system. As it stands it is a bit ridiculous that we see the same people dominating over and over again. The same thing that happened to GW has happened to CW. The players who have won have had the benefits for too long and now no one can compete. As it stands, for a player to gain a 100% boost we would have to wait till Next February and even then it's not likely. The system balances itself out and allows more people to partake in the rewards and increase the likelihood of new winners. New winners means more competition. More competition means happier players. Perhaps we may run into a situation where PR, Exec, Bubba etc. don't even make it that far into the tournament due to match-ups. Is this a bad thing? I don't think so.