What does predetermined really mean

[mattp169]

If you read through the forums, many people including myself say things are predetermined.
So what do we really mean?

Many think that this means the game is rigged.

It does not.

Watch your screen while playing the game.

If you go into battle there is a loading bar.
But if you hit sanctify there is no loading bar.

WHY??????

Because teh software can basically do some things in advance. It can do all the RNG for some things in the game and store it. Because there are limited amount of factors involved in that process.
SO in battle, you can change all the runes armor and heroes around. That would be an incredible amount of information to store server side, so all those RNGs are done when you click on a fight.

But the only thing to determine on a sanctify is what is the saint going to be if it is successful and what happens if the player use 1,2,3, or at some levels 4 or 5 cards.
Thats not a lot of information to store. SO things like the sanctifies are calculated ahead of time and stored server side. SO are things like star successes, chest and casino prizes, etc

SO when we say something is predetermined, that is a slightly misleading word to use. The RNG of certain events in game are calculated and stored on the server ahead of time, to save processing time and provide smoother game play - THAT'S IT.


I have seen no evidence that these results are manipulated by devs
There is no way for players to manipulate this information -- although knowing some of it ahead of time could prove useful

Also the lab layout is sort of an in between thing. Every possible lab layout is probably stored on the server, and one is randomly chosen when you click enter, and once you hit enter the lab layout does not change until you start a new lab.

SO can we stop the RIGGED conversations.

[becalvert_1151817]

Sorry I ride the short bus what does RNG mean?

[g346007_1906957]

Sorry I ride the short bus what does RNG mean?

Random number generator. So far there is no such thing as a truly random one (except possibly the human brain).

[davidschlebusch_6020359]

Matts Long answer short predetermined means the following:

1.) Establish or decide in advance

[riverkid.butler_849480]

The game is predetermined . and it is rigged . in the card broker when it's shuffles I seen it hit on a gold card then flash to the blue and that's what I get . and the tavern soon as you hit shuffle it knows if your gonna get a good card or not no matter what card you pick if the game don't want ya to get a good one you wont .

[SaviorOfLight_4592723]

I don't think it is rigged because there the random number generator makes a random number and that number has to be greater or less than the programmed number. For example, I am certain some people played pokemon sapphire, ruby, or emerald and when you evolve wurmple to get either a cascoon or silcoon, the random number generator generates X number to see is the value less than Y. It is like the card broker, casino and other random things in the game.

[Swanky]

I get what you are saying and I agree. I think the point of contention that leads to the point of view of things being rigged is the frequency at which the RNG is engaged. For example, my first five spins in the casino yield 4M coins, 1M credits and 200 stamina no matter how many times I check it over the course of any number of days. I won't go on a tangent about how much of a rip-off that is. My casino spins, or guild chests or whatever, have been defined using an initial run of the RNG and will not be changed. That in itself is not a problem but many of us liken this game to a game of chance just like gambling. Which is not unusual as there are many underlying concepts from gambling used in this game. However, we associate chance with attempts or frequency. I mean the problem with gambling is that one has the misguided mindset that he will get lucky at some point as it's only a matter of time before the chance turns into his favor. We are misguided in believing that if we have a 10% chance to achieve a certain gain then it is only a matter of time and resources before we obtain the result we are looking for. The new star/medal system better reflects this line of thinking whereas the previous system did not. However, things like the casino do not. You must take the prize assigned to you for that particular chance before you can move on to the next prize you have been assigned for that chance and so on. Yes, we must assume the original results were randomized, using a very poor pseudo-RNG IMO, but the fact that we can reproduce the results over and over without the effect of time changing them is the problem as that doesn't correlate to how chance in real life works. I'm sure in some case the prize could compound the frustration.

I'm not saying either way is right or wrong. I think the problem lies more around player expectations and the marketing of these game functions by Tynon. I mean if you're going to have a card draw or a spin the wheel for a chance to win a prize game then you are taking a traditional gambling game and setting expectations that players have a random chance on each play and that's not necessarily correct.

[Andy]

The game is predetermined . and it is rigged . in the card broker when it's shuffles I seen it hit on a gold card then flash to the blue and that's what I get . and the tavern soon as you hit shuffle it knows if your gonna get a good card or not no matter what card you pick if the game don't want ya to get a good one you wont .

Once you accept that any game animation has nothing to do with the result, then you can put behind this 'being rigged' issue.

To me rigged is when some people can affect the result in their favor and others can not, and I do not mean paying Gems. For example, if Tynon employees that play the game would have better odds at getting something (and Dawnseeker has already said that is not the case), then it would be rigged.

[Arma_4332056]

well duh, rigged in the way of players not receiving things - establishing a gap in progression - therefore Tynon DOES gain the artificial player need for upgrades, which ofc, can easily be obtained with purchasing gems

Also, everything is pre-determined in this game, there is absolutely no luck/chances

[Morgan le Fay]

Everyone is complaining of rigging, the game isn't 'rigged' unless we're talking about sailing.

The server generates a RNG once you recruit, reset or transfer a hero so that the sancts and stars are generated to 'upgrade' in a certain sequence. This is the 'predetermined' bit. No one has personally looked at your account and 'fixed' it in a way so they can mess with your head.

The whole thing is random, which is the polar opposite to 'rigged' which would indicate that an outside influence has given an advantage or disadvantage over one player.