What does predetermined really mean

[Arma_4332056]

I don't think you know the meaning of random, or you haven't spent much on the casino yet ^^

[Greenly]

I don't think you know the meaning of random, or you haven't spent much on the casino yet ^^

casino is predetermined also. i have tested this.

[jrrtolley_7332441]

Well, the game is very much predetermined. I would love the casino to be random, but it isn't. I look 2-3 times a day now, but it never changes and I am not going to spend 20 gems to get 1 Lab Token in a chest. I won't break the rules and say how you can tell what you can get without actually spending the Gems first, but believe me it can be done.

So, it is predetermined and as the predetermination in the Casino doesn't ever reset, I won't be wasting 20 gems.

[Dawnseeker]

Well explained Matt! The game definitely makes a LOT of use of the random number generator.

[mattp169]

Well, the game is very much predetermined. I would love the casino to be random, but it isn't. I look 2-3 times a day now, but it never changes and I am not going to spend 20 gems to get 1 Lab Token in a chest. I won't break the rules and say how you can tell what you can get without actually spending the Gems first, but believe me it can be done.

So, it is predetermined and as the predetermination in the Casino doesn't ever reset, I won't be wasting 20 gems.

Your looking at it in a way that puts a negative light on the game. And its only human to do so.

SO the software did teh RNG ahead of time and stored your next few Casino spins. That doesnt make it rigged. It wont change the outcome of when the RNG is done,(perhaps it could because some RNG make use of the time). Its not like becuase the RNG is done ahead of time you wont win 10k gems.

But yes it does mean the future outcomes are already stored and set in stone and you cant get another result then what is already stored on the server.
This also means someone cant cheat and hack the system to get the results they want.

But one thing I would like to see is the following.

You are allowed once a day or week to do something, for the sake of having something to call it, we shall call it pray.

So you would be allowed once a day or week to pray, and when you pray it forces the software to delete all stored RNG and redo them, which could give you better results or worse results.

[corillan_3783983]

Actually, the game is RIGGED up to a point. Predetermined is where the RNG has a count system that matches how much you spend. I proved the system is Predetermined with Catherine (before the game changes). No matter what I did in Tavern, Catherine was FORCED on us in the old game. I spend 5m credits trying to get some other hero but Catherine, but no matter where I clicked, Catherine was always the one that came up on the Shuffle.

Further proof of Predetermined: Once you spend enough credits, you can click on the middle card and get the good hero you want, even if that hero is in the 1st, 2nd, 4th or 5th position before the shuffle. I proved this with one of the other servers I play when I got ONLY the heroes I wanted without getting DUD heroes (blues and whites) outside of Catherine. Generally, I would click the card I saw the hero in... and if I spent enough credits, I would get it. Predetermined!!! Before the game changes, I had Catherine, Mehvidean, Cianna, Calvin, Rhize, Dawnbreaker, Shayd, Smoulder and Adamanti with none of the other Heroes. Each time I had 10 million Credits, I would go to the Tavern, spend about 5 - 8 Million Credits to get the Hero I wanted.

Now, with the new system, I cannot get the hero no matter how many credits until it is Predetermined I will win that hero. But, as mostly White and Blue only show for most Reshuffles, it is more costly to get the heroes you need to saint them. It still doesn't matter what position the Hero shows before Shuffle, if you are predetermined to win it, you will.

So, yes, the areas which uses Shuffle are "Rigged" in the aspect of Ratio of Credits spent to Worth of Heroes. With the New system, this Predetermined "Rigged" system is more evident with the Card Broker. I have not Sold or used any of the card given by the Broker and most of them are Blues I do not use, with occasion Purples. I have yet to get a Gold due to I will NOT waste Gems on the Broker as I will need the gems to open Armor Slots, and I am Not a Coiner (person that spends money) as I do not have the funds to support this game. I barely have funds to support myself.

I have taken programming when I was younger (when Apple II were used in Colleges), and we played with the RNG and know how to Rigged the RNG to predetermine the "Number" we wanted to see. So, yes the RNG can be Rigged to make sure the odds of getting what you want much lower than a straight RNG program. As is, as Straight RNG is not very good as it tends to generate numbers on one end or another. Again, as we played with the RNG, we recorded the outcome of the RNG whether rigged or not rigged.

For example: part of the RNG would be Roll 3d6 +7 with max of 18. so the Results would never be less than 8. So the RNG will only give results of 8 - 18. As long as you set the max, you will NOT get any number over the max set for the RNG you created (1d20, 4d8, etc).

However, the game cannot be Rigged on the fly by the Dev's as they would have to constantly watch every player and that is not possible. However, the program can be set with parameters to make sure the outcome is not always favorable to you.

[mattp169]

Actually, the game is RIGGED up to a point. Predetermined is where the RNG has a count system that matches how much you spend. I proved the system is Predetermined with Catherine (before the game changes). No matter what I did in Tavern, Catherine was FORCED on us in the old game. I spend 5m credits trying to get some other hero but Catherine, but no matter where I clicked, Catherine was always the one that came up on the Shuffle.

Further proof of Predetermined: Once you spend enough credits, you can click on the middle card and get the good hero you want, even if that hero is in the 1st, 2nd, 4th or 5th position before the shuffle. I proved this with one of the other servers I play when I got ONLY the heroes I wanted without getting DUD heroes (blues and whites) outside of Catherine. Generally, I would click the card I saw the hero in... and if I spent enough credits, I would get it. Predetermined!!! Before the game changes, I had Catherine, Mehvidean, Cianna, Calvin, Rhize, Dawnbreaker, Shayd, Smoulder and Adamanti with none of the other Heroes. Each time I had 10 million Credits, I would go to the Tavern, spend about 5 - 8 Million Credits to get the Hero I wanted.

Now, with the new system, I cannot get the hero no matter how many credits until it is Predetermined I will win that hero. But, as mostly White and Blue only show for most Reshuffles, it is more costly to get the heroes you need to saint them. It still doesn't matter what position the Hero shows before Shuffle, if you are predetermined to win it, you will.

So, yes, the areas which uses Shuffle are "Rigged" in the aspect of Ratio of Credits spent to Worth of Heroes. With the New system, this Predetermined "Rigged" system is more evident with the Card Broker. I have not Sold or used any of the card given by the Broker and most of them are Blues I do not use, with occasion Purples. I have yet to get a Gold due to I will NOT waste Gems on the Broker as I will need the gems to open Armor Slots, and I am Not a Coiner (person that spends money) as I do not have the funds to support this game. I barely have funds to support myself.

I have taken programming when I was younger (when Apple II were used in Colleges), and we played with the RNG and know how to Rigged the RNG to predetermine the "Number" we wanted to see. So, yes the RNG can be Rigged to make sure the odds of getting what you want much lower than a straight RNG program. As is, as Straight RNG is not very good as it tends to generate numbers on one end or another. Again, as we played with the RNG, we recorded the outcome of the RNG whether rigged or not rigged.

For example: part of the RNG would be Roll 3d6 +7 with max of 18. so the Results would never be less than 8. So the RNG will only give results of 8 - 18. As long as you set the max, you will NOT get any number over the max set for the RNG you created (1d20, 4d8, etc).

However, the game cannot be Rigged on the fly by the Dev's as they would have to constantly watch every player and that is not possible. However, the program can be set with parameters to make sure the outcome is not always favorable to you.

Your proof means nothing.
1st catherine is the first hero EVERYONE recruits its programmed in that way. That is not rigged thats just the game. Once you recruit her you can recruit other heroes. It is preset- which does not mean rigged.

2ndly it is not having to spend a certain amount of credits to get a hero. Never was. Your range of 5-8m before the patch proves that.

3rdly yes you can set parameters with RNG - once again does not mean its rigged.
Of course there are conditions and parameters to the RNG. You can not just use straight RNG to determine some of the complexity in this game.
ALso they have it set to make things balanced. Now in the tavern every 20k or so you spend gets you a spirit. Or in rune temple every million coins gets you about 2k exp.

you use the word rigged improperly.
rigged implies malicious intent to most people- And I have seen no malicious intent

[nolansco_5578848]

My penny's worth. The game is 'rigged' in that I think the odds of winning are predetermined, although tynon likes to pretend they are random. This to me is deceitful. I think the odds of me winning are the same as anyone else's, Tynon has no favourites as far as I can see. What I do find annoying is when Tynon changes the odds without telling us. To me this is them thinking we are to stupid to notice. I just wish tynon would be more upfront, and not treat us all as halfwits, although I probably am one

[mattp169]

My penny's worth. The game is 'rigged' in that I think the odds of winning are predetermined, although tynon likes to pretend they are random. This to me is deceitful. I think the odds of me winning are the same as anyone else's, Tynon has no favourites as far as I can see. What I do find annoying is when Tynon changes the odds without telling us. To me this is them thinking we are to stupid to notice. I just wish tynon would be more upfront, and not treat us all as halfwits, although I probably am one

The odds of winning what?
Odds are a statement of the likely hood of an event vs the likely hood of the event not happening. SO odds are always predetermined.

THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS POST is that we are all throwing around words. MOST EVEN ME are using the words improperly. And this misuse of words is giving negative connotations to the game when they are undeserved.

Of course the game is set up to make you spend. Of course you are not going to get lucky often. The game was designed to make a company money. Just like Vegas. Vegas is not there to make gamblers rich, its there to make the business owners rich.

But vegas casinos are not rigged. They dont use loaded dice and wheels. And from what I can see either does Tynon. The game is designed to favor uCool not the player, but if you expected anything different in a F2P model game, you were kidding yourself.

[Andy]

And from what I can see either does Tynon.

I assume you meant "And from what I can see neither does Tynon"