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    Banish formations

    I am looking to improve my Banish formation. I am using Pompey, Aphroditis, Lance, Blood and Calvin. I think I should replace Calvin and maybe Blood, but can not figure out who with. Kalvin really keeps the morale down so he never kills more that one of my heroes at a time. Aphro's hit rating is 260 with a lvl 12 preciseness. If I do not have Calvin in there the first time she misses after the first couple of rounds all my heroes will be willed out.

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    Use 2 dmg dealers insteed of 3, and add another stunner might make your damage go up. I would pump up your pompeys and Lances power, change out blood for cianna, and and Calvin for herja (Who will drain morale and help both lance and cianna). I use herja myself and never lose more than 1 hero at a time.

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    You are crazy to not use both shayd and aphro imo O.o

    My current best form is:

    herja thu X
    X main X
    Shayd X lance

    Sub: cianna

    Basically lance does the damage, and herja could keep morale down since others are stunning.

    I would suggest:

    Herja Shayd X
    X main X
    Aphro X Lance

    Sub: thu/cianna or blood.


    My lance has a bunch of crit saints, so I'm not sure if your blood will work better. Also depends how many lightbringer sets+ you have

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymeria View Post
    Use 2 dmg dealers insteed of 3, and add another stunner might make your damage go up. I would pump up your pompeys and Lances power, change out blood for cianna, and and Calvin for herja (Who will drain morale and help both lance and cianna). I use herja myself and never lose more than 1 hero at a time.
    The problem with Pompey is that his damage goes way down after a couple of rounds I noticed that today. I suppose that I could put Maria in but she would not be helping with the rest of the heroes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by g346007_1906957 View Post
    You are crazy to not use both shayd and aphro imo O.o

    My current best form is:

    herja thu X
    X main X
    Shayd X lance

    Sub: cianna

    Basically lance does the damage, and herja could keep morale down since others are stunning.

    I would suggest:

    Herja Shayd X
    X main X
    Aphro X Lance

    Sub: thu/cianna or blood.


    My lance has a bunch of crit saints, so I'm not sure if your blood will work better. Also depends how many lightbringer sets+ you have
    Who do you mean by thu?
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    i think thu is thucy
    Yeah Yeah, I know I don't look like that, but a girl can dream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by g346007_1906957 View Post
    You are crazy to not use both shayd and aphro imo O.o

    My current best form is:

    herja thu X
    X main X
    Shayd X lance

    Sub: cianna

    Basically lance does the damage, and herja could keep morale down since others are stunning.

    I would suggest:

    Herja Shayd X
    X main X
    Aphro X Lance

    Sub: thu/cianna or blood.


    My lance has a bunch of crit saints, so I'm not sure if your blood will work better. Also depends how many lightbringer sets+ you have
    both of these suggested forms have a critical fault and if adjusted could work alot better. ANd no im not going o just give you the answer. but one simple tweak makes this formation do more damage.

    And andy
    TBH. I have spent half the game on banish forms.TO me banish was what this game was all about. But with the cao, stun rates and some mysterious tweak in the last patch to banish. Its all becoming a serious crap shoot.

    One day in my realm top hitter can do 28m avg damage per round I can do 21m avg
    and #3 does 14
    next day all of using the same stuff. I do 12m avg
    top hitter does 18 and #3 does 19avg
    next day I do 24m avg
    top hitter does 16
    and # 3 hitter does 12

    My point is - something is making teh damage vary ALOT so I can do one round and fet 4m the next round 50m then 3 rounds of 7, followed by 2 rounds over 24m then 2 4m rounds again.

    Of course this is stun rates.

    SO while you are testing, dont watch just a few rounds and assume thats how its going to be. I prefer to test a form for several days usually 3 -5 and get the avg damage.

    Also because of the multiple variables of how many people are in, the huge swing in rounds, how much this one boosted today etc. I believ calculating your avg damage per round is the best measurement to use on how well your doing.
    For example I did 480m damage one day. the next day i did 315m
    The 480m damage day took 29 rounds while the 315m day took 14 rounds. SO the 480m day looks great but is only about 16,25m avg damage a round while the 315m damage day was 22.5m damage a round.

    Now to your particular form and hero choice.
    YOu need more then 1 stunner
    Then you need to decide how many
    and which ones

    then you need damage dealers
    blood vs pompey vs lance. WHO really does more damage and why? Pompey may get the biggest 1st hit, but what about the 2nd 3rd,4th,5th,6th, or 7th hit form pompey? Which of you heroes hasd the best chance to crit when you acct for lances' skill and saints and runes? HOw many lb sets do you have? These are all factors to use to decide which of them to use.

    Now do you need calvin? are you doing any physical attacks? if not NO CALVIN NEEDED you need herja If you only have one hero that deals a physical attack you may not need calvin either.

    Now you need to decide WHO SHOULD DIE FIRST and Who should die last. Of course the main dies first we all know that. But what about next a stunner, herja/calvin or a damage dealer. DO you want the damage dealer to die last or second to last or a stunner to be there last?
    Remember also when you have 2 heroes left and wb attacks and kills one...that last hero gets 2 attacks in a row before wb attacks again.

    Many many factors to consider.

    I could just tell you forms.. but then you wouldnt necessarily understand why those forms work better. Id rather help you figure out why the top damage dealers use the formations they use so you can adjust as time goes on and get better. You seem to be in this for the long run and are smart enough to get it. SO lets try teaching a man to fish.

    Everything I put in this post will give you the information you need to find a better form then what you are using.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heathermh1998_32327 View Post
    i think thu is thucy
    I think thucy is Thucydides.
    my naga, my naga

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    Thanks Matt, that is a very informative post. I am going to record a few Banishes and then I will be able to analyze them 'off line'. I problem I see is that equipment and talents upgraded will affect the damage done but with the cooldowns I now have I will be able to get at least 4 and probably 6 banishes with the same equipment. Runes will not be an issue for a week or two since I am saving the coins to buy a Dragon (2 left in my realm).
    Last edited by Andy; 03-30-2014 at 11:00 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy View Post
    Thanks Matt, that is a very informative post. I am going to record a few Banishes and then I will be able to analyze them 'off line'. I problem I see is that equipment and talents upgraded will affect the damage done but with the cooldowns I now have I will be able to get at least 4 and probably 6 banishes with the same equipment. Runes will not be an issue for a week or two since I am saving the coins to buy a Dragon (2 left in my realm).
    TBH
    unless you raise a sword or spirit by at least 10 level in between banishes you wont notice a difference. One or two levels just doesnt add enough to be noticeable.

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