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    NO NO NO NO NO NO NO - I SWEAR I WILL QUIT IF THEY DID THIS

    Spirit plans were the 1 equalizing factor of this game. Then they added tokens to packs. which allowed players like exec and riot to get so big so fast. WOrk the lab like the rest of us and earn your plans.

    I swear I dont mind improving the game, but this is not improving it - its nerfing it. Basically you want people to use the free tickets the get form betting on the ridiculous farce called CWF to get free spirit plans.

    NO NO NO NO This is a horrible idea

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattp169 View Post
    NO NO NO NO NO NO NO - I SWEAR I WILL QUIT IF THEY DID THIS

    Spirit plans were the 1 equalizing factor of this game. Then they added tokens to packs. which allowed players like exec and riot to get so big so fast. WOrk the lab like the rest of us and earn your plans.

    I swear I dont mind improving the game, but this is not improving it - its nerfing it. Basically you want people to use the free tickets the get form betting on the ridiculous farce called CWF to get free spirit plans.

    NO NO NO NO This is a horrible idea

    I see your point here, but I would like to counter it. Essentially the only "work" people do in the lab is sit there for enough hours that they are either given a plan or they acquire enough tokens to buy one. For the average non-vip like 5-10 tokens a day. so a guardian plan would take roughly 6 days at-least, but the only real work put in was sitting at the computer for maybe 5 or 6 hours to do the labs and getting the free tokens. the same would go for CW. To amass the tickets necessary players would have to spend about 8-10 hours betting in a CW possibly for multiple weeks to amass tickets for the higher spirits, and if they wanted them faster (more tickets in less time) they could spend gems on bets, just like spending gems to buy extra lab runs for more tokens. Overall the same amount of "work" is put into acquiring the spirits. Saying that playing the lab is "working for them" but that carefully betting in CW and putting in the time every night to get all your bets in is not is an inherent contradiction. They both require the same amount of effort, some might argue CW is more of an effort because it takes more time, some might argue lab is more of an effort because there is a bit more account building involved, either way tokens and tickets are both free rewards given with minimal effort.



    Edit: to put it in a bit more perspective, I can average, if i'm paying attention all 5 days, about 20-30k tickets per CW. That would require a minimum of a month per Justice Spirit, 7 months for all of them. Combining this with the lab might make it a bit faster, but overall it's not going to make people progress as fast as say...buying the tokens for a LB in 5 minutes. It takes some serious time investment to achieve the amount of tickets necessary for the spirits, not to mention lost coin/credit income if you save the tickets, which means slower progression in runes etc.
    Last edited by DrthCaedus; 04-01-2014 at 06:21 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrthCaedus View Post
    I see your point here, but I would like to counter it.
    I'll counter your counter with this:
    Have you ever seen someone have 10 to 15 browsers open to bet on CW?
    20,000 tickets each season x15 = a whole lot of spirit plan (accumulating every two weeks). And all they did was sit on their arse for 1 hour and click a bigger number.

    The solution to the "plans are too rare" problem is to modify the plans drop rate (700 boss and 800 boss), and/or token #s earned, or token drop rates.
    Since Tynon's latest plans-drop modification, I find plans drops to come on (my) average about 1/20 for 700 bosses, and 1/7 for 800 bosses. Perhaps I've been luckier than others, I don't know, but if my rate is the real rate then I think it's a pretty good rate.

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