What's next for Tynon?

[Riot]

So.... no strategy allowed? Then people would truly have nothing to use to compete against you.

It doesn't matter how heavily geared or powered you are. If you can beat it, you can beat it.

Strategy absolutely should be considered. But not to a point where it can be beat without properly geared up and rune'd up formation. As in all games, to beat a boss to get to your next gear level, you should be properly geared with preceding gears along with the right strategy. There is a delicate balance between the two. Unless Tynon wants this game to end in 6 months, they need to think about the next areas as high-end gears are released. I remember it would take me 4 - 6 months to gear up by raiding for next set of equipment. But with this game's philosophy of being able to $$$ your way to the top, it is not the same for all players unfortunately. This is what attracts certain players and also detracts certain players.

EDIT: Also you point something out here that is important to recognize. This game should not be about competing against a certain player alone. It should be so that you are competing and be challenged with the game at the rate you are comfortable with. If you so choose to compete with the top players, there are a few ways. 1. is to spend a lot of money to accelerate your power. 2. keep cranking along and wait it out until you do get the gears and runes, and hope by then the content would have stopped progressing. But to try to compete with people who have spent big by spending significantly less, and crying foul when you can't beat them, does not compute.

[Revan]

All I know is that the bosses should not be able to be beat at really low powers because of Herja and a super beefed up Queen P.

Oh and the lowest power win on Scipio Africanus is currently 117 mil power. The Queen P in the replay has well over 120k hp and deals close to 120k damage with vampiric strike. It is a bit of an extreme case but it illustrates the whole Queen P might be over powered thing.

Another example is Genghis Khan. If I need to say any more about that, then you are clearly not that far in the Royal Arena.
The way the game is set now all you need to have is one or two sets really powerful attack gear fine.

[Riot]

All I know is that the bosses should not be able to be beat at really low powers because of Herja and a super beefed up Queen P.

Oh and the lowest power win on Scipio Africanus is currently 117 mil power. The Queen P in the replay has well over 120k hp and deals close to 120k damage with vampiric strike. It is a bit of an extreme case but it illustrates the whole Queen P might be over powered thing.

Another example is Genghis Khan. If I need to say any more about that, then you are clearly not that far in the Royal Arena.
The way the game is set now all you need to have is one or two sets really powerful attack gear fine.

Agree.

Also as you pointed out about Queen P, from what I can see, Queen P and Kahn are very off balance. Kahn is such a waste of a top end hero. He needs to be revamped to be useful PVP and at least out-do Queen P in PVM fights.

Let's see if Tynon corrects this.

[g346007_1906957]

Strategy absolutely should be considered. But not to a point where it can be beat without properly geared up and rune'd up formation. As in all games, to beat a boss to get to your next gear level, you should be properly geared with preceding gears along with the right strategy. There is a delicate balance between the two. Unless Tynon wants this game to end in 6 months, they need to think about the next areas as high-end gears are released. I remember it would take me 4 - 6 months to gear up by raiding for next set of equipment. But with this game's philosophy of being able to $$$ your way to the top, it is not the same for all players unfortunately. This is what attracts certain players and also detracts certain players.

EDIT: Also you point something out here that is important to recognize. This game should not be about competing against a certain player alone. It should be so that you are competing and be challenged with the game at the rate you are comfortable with. If you so choose to compete with the top players, there are a few ways. 1. is to spend a lot of money to accelerate your power. 2. keep cranking along and wait it out until you do get the gears and runes, and hope by then the content would have stopped progressing. But to try to compete with people who have spent big by spending significantly less, and crying foul when you can't beat them, does not compute.

My problem with what you are saying is who gets to decide what 'proper' is? People should be free to choose w/e works.

p.s. Every since CWF came out, people have been eyeing the top player. We aren't just picking on you, we're calculating how long until we get a shot to win this thing.

[Riot]

My problem with what you are saying is who gets to decide what 'proper' is? People should be free to choose w/e works.

p.s. Every since CWF came out, people have been eyeing the top player. We aren't just picking on you, we're calculating how long until we get a shot to win this thing.

To me and many other games I have played, the word "proper" is used in the following reference: "properly geared and runed" and that you have someone who is at the immediate previous gears to be able to beat the boss for the next set of gears. So someone in Light bringer gears should not in any shape or form be able to beat boss for the sirus set regardless of what formation you want to use.

Thus the combination of properly geared and runed as well as good strategy to play a part in beating the next hero's or quest line. On the flip side, you can have most of your let's say Sirus set, but may not be able to beat the boss for the next one if your strategy is bad.

[jkwongfl_7919855]

All I know is that the bosses should not be able to be beat at really low powers because of Herja and a super beefed up Queen P.

Oh and the lowest power win on Scipio Africanus is currently 117 mil power. The Queen P in the replay has well over 120k hp and deals close to 120k damage with vampiric strike. It is a bit of an extreme case but it illustrates the whole Queen P might be over powered thing.

Another example is Genghis Khan. If I need to say any more about that, then you are clearly not that far in the Royal Arena.
The way the game is set now all you need to have is one or two sets really powerful attack gear fine.

What's wrong with having 2 main attackers? It's just a different choice of distributing attack power; it's not like I put in less effort to beat Khan, it was just in a "smarter", more efficient manner.

I think that bosses will always be able to be beaten at continuously lower powers. It's inevitable, and just because Queen P is currently the popular way to win doesn't mean it's a hack or game-ruining strategy. When given an unchanging boss formation to battle repeatedly day after day, it's easy enough to find a way to beat it. PvP is much harder to master, so anyone dissatisfied with HR and Royal Arena can focus on that aspect of the game.

[g346007_1906957]

To me and many other games I have played, the word "proper" is used in the following reference: "properly geared and runed" and that you have someone who is at the immediate previous gears to be able to beat the boss for the next set of gears. So someone in Light bringer gears should not in any shape or form be able to beat boss for the sirus set regardless of what formation you want to use.

Thus the combination of properly geared and runed as well as good strategy to play a part in beating the next hero's or quest line. On the flip side, you can have most of your let's say Sirus set, but may not be able to beat the boss for the next one if your strategy is bad.

You already need the previous level to progress in gears. I'm imagining a more drastic change in which players are forced into spending resources (coin + cooldown time or something) in a fashion they don't want or need to.

[Riot]

You already need the previous level to progress in gears. I'm imagining a more drastic change in which players are forced into spending resources (coin + cooldown time or something) in a fashion they don't want or need to.

Agree. However, if you remember, this was not the case when there was the Maria bug, where people were using maria for full heals every turn with sub par gears to beat out the next bosses to get geared up, even with sub-par runes (to add to that).

[g346007_1906957]

Agree. However, if you remember, this was not the case when there was the Maria bug, where people were using maria for full heals every turn with sub par gears to beat out the next bosses to get geared up, even with sub-par runes (to add to that).

They still had to beat the previous boss. Hopefully no more bugs like that will be available though as it really does mess up the fairness of the game.

But right now, people are free to use whatever they want to beat a boss. Whatever combination of formation, gear, runes, talents, hero choice, luck, etc that works for them. Having some system that says you must get runes to here, and gear to here, and talents to here... really limits the potential in the game. Management of resources is most of the game for me. If that is determined for me, there is no point.

Edit: I realize I'm making a bunch of assumptions of what you are suggesting, since I'm not really sure what you are suggesting. Correct anything that's wrong.

[ChickenWing]

I don't see the problem with people being able to beat a boss at a low power range. That does not make them more powerful in PvP than someone who has coined in a major manner, and will never allow them to compete at that level.

I don't think they should nerf Queen P. She is not too buffed. Adam is OP in PvP; Queen P in OP in in PvE. To each hero their stengths, and it is up to players to make intelligent choices that will allow them to progress faster. I can assure you that those who have a super buffed Queen P do not necessarily progress faster than those who invest in other heroes. Just because someone has beaten a boss at a really low power does not mean that he has beaten that boss earlier than someone with more power. That's a false assumption that people who beat bosses at a low power progress faster.