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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Riot View Post
    Well Herby, I would be lying if I said that I am not concerned about Adamanti's impact in CWF, because I am. My main concern is that Adamanti is over used and at the end, people will all wind up with the same PVP formation and build as a result of it.

    Let me explain why I am saying this:

    Having my entire line up at the same maxed stars, runes, and well sainted, I can with hands on experience say that Adamanti seems unbalanced; even comparing to other heros (some significantly higher rep and royal challenge heros) with same level of gears, runes, and saints. I am also talking from both receiving end as well as giving end of the fight. Now let's compare it to other heros in the line up that does not lose morale. Even with this advantage, Adamanti still does significant more damage over all other heros (with all same level runes, gears, etc).

    My other point is with mage classes. No one uses it in CWF. Why? Simple:
    1. They do not crit
    2. They do significant less damage (Mulan compared to KT), (Smoulder compared to Adamanti)
    3. They "miss" a ton where as melee classes do not miss much
    4. But one argues melees can be dodged, but then you can counter with +hit runes. With "miss" there is no counter it seems. and +Hit I do not agree impacts the "miss" as one would traditionally believe it to be. Otherwise why would a 300+ hit Aphro miss 4 times in a row? Makes no sense since melees will never be dodged 4 times in a row.

    Thus, my conclusion is, mages needs to be boosted in a different way. Allow for crit, allow for an attribute to counter "miss" maybe this is +hit, but then they need to program it in, and increase their damage output since they cannot use +skill attack. Thus the magic attack dmg should be "doubled" vs. Physical melee counter part. This may help put Mages back on the map.

    Do all this, and you can leave Adamanti alone. Without this, you have essentially over powered 1 melee hero who crits, hits, doesn't miss, and hits all targets, with added power of both phy + attack skill. Morale you may be wondering. Mages do not use morale, while Adamanti is crippled when it does not have the morale. But then let's take a simple fight, where adamanti get's hit normally in the course of the fight and get to skill each round. Against PVE it may be different, but for PVP there is a difference. One can also point out the use or the need for support class that does no damage to assist Adamanti and thus make up for the added damage from adamanti. Ok, this is fair, but then let's look at this more closely; since the main class also needs morale and is a single hitting hero (unless one gets sweeping slash which hits weak and only 3), normal non-morale hit from main is weaker than adamanti's non-morale hits. Need I say more? How is it that Seraph 5 with 5 more hard hitting saints with same black smith hit (in normal hit mode) hit weaker than an aoe class like adamanti when they both have no morale? There is an imbalance. Adamanti should not be hitting harder than your main with no morale given all things are equal. Thus, there seems to be a bit of an over power adjustment to be looked at.
    I can't believe you haven't found the answer to this Blayd.

    Whenever you look at your Heroes tab, its staring at you in the face.

    Clue: Adam's melee hit is stronger than your main. But his melee hit is weaker than King Theseus's melee hit.

    Besides, this is a none-issue. We don't see our heroes not skilling each round, unless you don't use Herja or Ezekiel, which is quite unwise for PvP.


    There's no need to nerf Adam further.

    I know it's the hero that damages you the most, since you've been earning crowns.

    Max your armor and you can resist the damage


    Otherwise, you have to change your strategy, and start relying on AOE now instead of your old style.

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    Herby,
    Answer to what. Skill every round? We all know the answer to this if this is what you are referring to.

    The trade off is use Prophet/Herja to skill each round and lose a dps hero. So this is where there may be a bit of an un-balance. The damage Admanti deals with each skill round > any hero even taking into affect of one dps class being taken out for prophet/herja.

    I am not going to argue over this point. Don't have the energy tbh. Need to go eat some delicious food

    Also my point is, Mages don't need morale but they also do not crit, nor do they do as much damage, and to make the matters worse, they "miss". Mages needs to be better balanced so it can be as fun and equal to use as melee's. Not sure if this will ever happen.

  3. #43
    Adam is nice. Almost everyone uses him. Not everyone has the same form....

    next point:

    Mages are sort of secondary heroes. Some have interesting abilities that are worth using from time to time, but they aren't meant to be as strong as melee heroes.

  4. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Riot View Post
    Herby,
    Answer to what. Skill every round? We all know the answer to this if this is what you are referring to.

    The trade off is use Prophet/Herja to skill each round and lose a dps hero. So this is where there may be a bit of an un-balance. The damage Admanti deals with each skill round > any hero even taking into affect of one dps class being taken out for prophet/herja.

    I am not going to argue over this point. Don't have the energy tbh. Need to go eat some delicious food

    Also my point is, Mages don't need morale but they also do not crit, nor do they do as much damage, and to make the matters worse, they "miss". Mages needs to be better balanced so it can be as fun and equal to use as melee's. Not sure if this will ever happen.
    My answer to your question:

    "Need I say more? How is it that Seraph 5 with 5 more hard hitting saints with same black smith hit (in normal hit mode) hit weaker than an aoe class like adamanti when they both have no morale? There is an imbalance. Adamanti should not be hitting harder than your main with no morale given all things are equal. Thus, there seems to be a bit of an over power adjustment to be looked at."

    I can't believe you haven't found the answer to this Blayd.

    Whenever you look at your Heroes tab, its staring at you in the face.

    Clue: Adam's melee hit is stronger than your main. But his melee hit is weaker than King Theseus's melee hit.

  5. #45
    Why do people expect more content? This game has a storyline that ENDS with the defeat of Malmepholis. He is THE main villain. As a result, the story comes to an end. Any exetension would reek of contrivance. Malmepholis steals your soul as he leaves? Neverwinter Nights. Demons actually behind everything thing? Dreamworld.

    To extend the game, Tynon must create a NEW story with NEW villains. That is a lot easier said than done; also very time consuming. Especially so when everyone needs god-like abilities to defeat the initial villain.

  6. #46
    well the reason we do is sirius gear mats and hr are not here yet we know they exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rafmeister_5440998 View Post
    Why do people expect more content? This game has a storyline that ENDS with the defeat of Malmepholis. He is THE main villain. As a result, the story comes to an end. Any exetension would reek of contrivance. Malmepholis steals your soul as he leaves? Neverwinter Nights. Demons actually behind everything thing? Dreamworld.

    To extend the game, Tynon must create a NEW story with NEW villains. That is a lot easier said than done; also very time consuming. Especially so when everyone needs god-like abilities to defeat the initial villain.
    No one cares about the story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChickenWing View Post
    No one cares about the story.
    Agreed. At least 80% of it is not that interesting and can frequently be repetitive (and I'm being generous in my evaluation of it).

  9. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by ChickenWing View Post
    No one cares about the story.
    ...well i dont think anyone play because of the story, but still having a main storyline is nice, and it enhance the fun for me atleast ;-)

    and that one villain is dead could be tweeaked into starting a questline with new threats, maybe an evil dragon, or an evil god?

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    He could be resurrected using the dragon balls.

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