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    I don't understand the arguments that the cap "hurts" anyone. It affects all players equally. If you think the cap is harmful in some way, couldn't you make the same argument about every single thing in the game not giving you more rewards? "Pirates doesn't give 1000 gems for an attempted sail, this hurts all players." Its the exact same argument.

    The reality is that we have to keep things in balance and not allow any single event to become so important that it makes other events inconsequential. Removing the cap would be the same thing as increasing the rewards by 5x for 2 events out of 50+ that we offer. We're not going to do this, sorry.

    There are lots of things to do in the game besides Banish. If the rewards in any of them are not in line with the cost, effort, and time required, then we'll totally look into changing them. But Banish has an extremely good reward for the small amount of time and effort required. If anything, it should be reduced further. I doubt we'd do this, but there's absolutely no justification whatsoever for increasing the already-incredible rewards for this event.

    tl;dr: it ain't gonna happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawnseeker View Post
    I don't understand the arguments that the cap "hurts" anyone. It affects all players equally. If you think the cap is harmful in some way, couldn't you make the same argument about every single thing in the game not giving you more rewards? "Pirates doesn't give 1000 gems for an attempted sail, this hurts all players." Its the exact same argument.

    The reality is that we have to keep things in balance and not allow any single event to become so important that it makes other events inconsequential. Removing the cap would be the same thing as increasing the rewards by 5x for 2 events out of 50+ that we offer. We're not going to do this, sorry.

    There are lots of things to do in the game besides Banish. If the rewards in any of them are not in line with the cost, effort, and time required, then we'll totally look into changing them. But Banish has an extremely good reward for the small amount of time and effort required. If anything, it should be reduced further. I doubt we'd do this, but there's absolutely no justification whatsoever for increasing the already-incredible rewards for this event.

    tl;dr: it ain't gonna happen.

    Having said that, this thread has become useless and imo should be closed, otherwise people are going to have another rant discussion why you should lift the caps

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawnseeker View Post
    I don't understand the arguments that the cap "hurts" anyone. It affects all players equally. If you think the cap is harmful in some way, couldn't you make the same argument about every single thing in the game not giving you more rewards? "Pirates doesn't give 1000 gems for an attempted sail, this hurts all players." Its the exact same argument.

    The reality is that we have to keep things in balance and not allow any single event to become so important that it makes other events inconsequential. Removing the cap would be the same thing as increasing the rewards by 5x for 2 events out of 50+ that we offer. We're not going to do this, sorry.

    There are lots of things to do in the game besides Banish. If the rewards in any of them are not in line with the cost, effort, and time required, then we'll totally look into changing them. But Banish has an extremely good reward for the small amount of time and effort required. If anything, it should be reduced further. I doubt we'd do this, but there's absolutely no justification whatsoever for increasing the already-incredible rewards for this event.

    tl;dr: it ain't gonna happen.
    exactly, tyvm and we had enough redundancy

    PS: start increasing the chip levels for 1.25 and 6.25 Banishes
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaisim_2492829 View Post
    exactly, tyvm and we had enough redundancy

    PS: start increasing the chip levels for 1.25 and 6.25 Banishes
    yea i agree with that one level of a a chip is worth quite a lot
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawnseeker View Post
    I don't understand the arguments that the cap "hurts" anyone. It affects all players equally. If you think the cap is harmful in some way, couldn't you make the same argument about every single thing in the game not giving you more rewards? "Pirates doesn't give 1000 gems for an attempted sail, this hurts all players." Its the exact same argument.

    The reality is that we have to keep things in balance and not allow any single event to become so important that it makes other events inconsequential. Removing the cap would be the same thing as increasing the rewards by 5x for 2 events out of 50+ that we offer. We're not going to do this, sorry.

    There are lots of things to do in the game besides Banish. If the rewards in any of them are not in line with the cost, effort, and time required, then we'll totally look into changing them. But Banish has an extremely good reward for the small amount of time and effort required. If anything, it should be reduced further. I doubt we'd do this, but there's absolutely no justification whatsoever for increasing the already-incredible rewards for this event.

    tl;dr: it ain't gonna happen.
    Do you play Tynon, Dawn?

    55 mins for 5m coins/2.5 m credits or if you refresh it's double that, is not "extremely good rewards"
    There is no balance, there is no fairness. Pirates never gave us 1000 gems per sail, so that arguement doesn't work. The problem is that banish keeps giving less and less rewards. At one point you could say the rewards were extremely good, but it hasn't been that way in some time.

    The communication problem here is simple. Not enough people are affected yet. Once 50% of the servers see what's happening, maybe then YOU will get it.


    Ty for your response. Now that I know It will take me 75 days to earn the coins I need to take the next step in this game, even with coining like mad, I'm not so sure I want too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Deucalion View Post
    Do you play Tynon, Dawn?

    55 mins for 5m coins/2.5 m credits or if you refresh it's double that, is not "extremely good rewards"
    There is no balance, there is no fairness. Pirates never gave us 1000 gems per sail, so that arguement doesn't work. The problem is that banish keeps giving less and less rewards. At one point you could say the rewards were extremely good, but it hasn't been that way in some time.

    The communication problem here is simple. Not enough people are affected yet. Once 50% of the servers see what's happening, maybe then YOU will get it.


    Ty for your response. Now that I know It will take me 75 days to earn the coins I need to take the next step in this game, even with coining like mad, I'm not so sure I want too.
    Whats your power that you're only getting 5M coins in 55mins of banish? Sounds like you slacked on Lightbringer gear. Not Dawns fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitiara_3214881 View Post
    Whats your power that you're only getting 5M coins in 55mins of banish? Sounds like you slacked on Lightbringer gear. Not Dawns fault.
    lol

    Much higher than LB gear and it has nothing to do with my power, which is over 300m in Banish form. I'm on server 1 where we are packed with high power players.

    And... I didn't say it was Dawns fault.

    Thanks for your useless input.

    BTW: This is why nobody understand what is happening. You obviously do not have the 6.25 banish with 20+ power players in your realm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deucalion View Post
    lol

    Much higher than LB gear and it has nothing to do with my power, which is over 300m in Banish form. I'm on server 1 where we are packed with high power players.

    And... I didn't say it was Dawns fault.

    Thanks for your useless input.

    BTW: This is why nobody understand what is happening. You obviously do not have the 6.25 banish with 20+ power players in your realm.
    The cap should be per player, not per realm. Putting a maximum of 100M coins to be shared among players, regardless of the amount of players participating, and regardless of the banish size, does not seem to make sense.

    The individual cap should also raise with the size of the banish.

    50M banish: 10M coin cap
    250M banish: 20M coin cap
    1.25B banish: 40M coin cap
    6.25B banish: 60M coin cap

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChickenWing View Post
    The cap should be per player, not per realm. Putting a maximum of 100M coins to be shared among players, regardless of the amount of players participating, and regardless of the banish size, does not seem to make sense.

    The individual cap should also raise with the size of the banish.

    50M banish: 10M coin cap
    250M banish: 20M coin cap
    1.25B banish: 40M coin cap
    6.25B banish: 60M coin cap
    There are so many BETTER ways to handle the problem. Wait what is the problem that required the cap to be put in place?
    Was it small population servers getting more coins then larger population servers.
    was it some players getting too much form banish so the devs wanted to slow us down.?
    Was it theres just too many players on some servers and they want some one those people to go to new servers and spend more money?

    Im not really sure why the cap is in place. Because no reason except driving players to quit or move to new servers fits the current cap model. SO if there were other reasons, the plan needs rethought out

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattp169 View Post
    There are so many BETTER ways to handle the problem. Wait what is the problem that required the cap to be put in place?
    Was it small population servers getting more coins then larger population servers.
    was it some players getting too much form banish so the devs wanted to slow us down.?
    Was it theres just too many players on some servers and they want some one those people to go to new servers and spend more money?

    Im not really sure why the cap is in place. Because no reason except driving players to quit or move to new servers fits the current cap model. SO if there were other reasons, the plan needs rethought out

    Many people, including Dawn, have already stated the obvious: Banish rewards have grown way too quickly in relation to the rest of the game. The population of the server can not be factored into this assessment. If there is a wide population disparity between servers, that would be a separate issue that needs to be addressed.
    Last edited by Rocco; 05-06-2014 at 07:04 PM.

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