Ulterior Motive: Response to Banish Cap threads

[mattp169]

If you want rag improved start your own thread. I agree rag rewards are pathetic. So are HP.

Back on subject.

Banish Cap HELPS NO ONE. It hurts all. It should go

[g346007_1906957]

That's what I'm talking about too...

For 1.25b, we get 100m coins. If we lift the cap, we get 125m coins. That's a 25m increase from the 100m (which is a 25% increase).

For 6.25b, we get 100m coins. If we lift the cap, we get 625m coins. That's a 525m increase from the 100m (which is a 525% increase).


Have no clue where you are getting the 400% increase. 400% increase means x5, so I assumed you meant going to the next level.

[ChickenWing]

I don't see problem with having the cap removed. My guild on server 106 is getting closer to the 6.25B banish boss. We should have it in a month or two. I don't see why our income should stop growing when we reach that.

For 1.25b, we get 100m coins. If we lift the cap, we get 125m coins. That's a 25m increase from the 100m (which is a 25% increase).

For 6.25b, we get 100m coins. If we lift the cap, we get 625m coins. That's a 525m increase from the 100m (which is a 525% increase).


Have no clue where you are getting the 400% increase. 400% increase means x5, so I assumed you meant going to the next level.

Oh I get it. I thought he was talking about when having no cap at all anywhere, what the increase is in coins when you get from one level to the next.

[mattp169]

I don't see problem with having the cap removed. My guild on server 106 is getting closer to the 6.25B banish boss. We should have it in a month or two. I don't see why our income should stop growing when we reach that.



Oh I get it. I thought he was talking about when having no cap at all anywhere, what the increase is in coins when you get from one level to the next.

Here is why.
becuase if you server which is a hair newer then blayd's can get to 6.25b banish and have no cap. You will gain an UNFAIR advantage over blayd who can not get to the the 6.25b.

NOw if you think that makes sense, thats the problem. Thats what this is really all about. That and trying to force people to new servers to start over and spend more money. It has nothing to do with BALANCE. Its a scheme to get players to move on to a new server

[Kalatron]

OK maybe this is a better solution

remove cap
and change it so beating the banish in 5 mins is required to open the next one.
and set it so you have to complete a banish is 45 minutes to keep it
and add in more banish levels. so we have
10m
50m
100m
200m
500m
750m
1.25b
2.5b
4b
6b
etc

Then reset all servers to 10m banish.

This will slow down coin growth - while allowing large population servers to keep growing

Matt is right something needs to be done... if the purpose of the cap was to help smaller players it is doing the opposite...in a 6.25 bil banish those out of the top 10 get VERY little of anything.. an hour spent for crap rewards makes no sense at all. and new things have been added that require coins...rune levels increased...mounts to feed etc.

[Morgan le Fay]

For 1.25b, we get 100m coins. If we lift the cap, we get 125m coins. That's a 25m increase from the 100m (which is a 25% increase).

For 6.25b, we get 100m coins. If we lift the cap, we get 625m coins. That's a 525m increase from the 100m (which is a 525% increase).

Unfortunately this is why we have a cap. 625m coins is a hefty amount and even the first 10 servers only have 3-4 players per realm who are the biggest hitters. So I can only imagine their daily share if they are able to do both Banishes.

I always have said an adjustment in the cap is the fairest to go, yes most people consider Banish as the 'most important' event. To those people it is but it's just an event on the daily calender. I agree that Ragnarok needs some updating with better rep and credits on offer.


Couple of forum mod things to bring up. Don't keep double posting please try to use the edit button, it's there for when you wish to add something to your post. Secondly, there seems to be a lot posting comments regarding bad manners. Got to say some of those who posted comments on alleged rudeness have been guilty of it themselves in the past.

You have two options, ignore it or if you really feel it's offensive and not within forum etiquette use the report button. No need for lengthy debates on it.

[Dawnseeker]

We have no intention of removing the banish cap at this time. We want players to participate in a variety of activities and do not want any single activity to have overriding importance, such that players can't afford to miss it.

[mattp169]

We have no intention of removing the banish cap at this time. We want players to participate in a variety of activities and do not want any single activity to have overriding importance, such that players can't afford to miss it.

Well congratulations, you just confirmed that you want people to move to new servers, because without more coins and credits for people to earn, progress on servers will slowly grind to a halt and/or your biggest spenders on servers will slowly stop spending and quit.

And this is teh 2nd time you used the words "AT THIS TIME"

Which says to me the plan is to lift it at some point

So let me take guesses as to when that will be.

1. when servers have died off and no server can hit the 6,25b
2. When blayd wants it lifted since he is your biggest spender and you seem to listen to him more then others
3. when more people complain about this stupid cap that does not serve the purposes you state it does.
4. when you totally nerf banish or make it so incredibly hard noone could ever get the 6.25b banish
5. The game is so fundamentally changed the game the cap is irrelevant.

[ChickenWing]

We have no intention of removing the banish cap at this time. We want players to participate in a variety of activities and do not want any single activity to have overriding importance, such that players can't afford to miss it.

Is there any plan of making the other events more relevant? GW is relevant in itself, but what about rag? Would you consider make more events that rewards coins if banish is to be capped?

Secondly, there seems to be a lot posting comments regarding bad manners. Got to say some of those who posted comments on alleged rudeness have been guilty of it themselves in the past.

Yes, very true. But it's good to be reminded of it when you are bad mannered. I think we all act like that at times. I, for one, would like to be called to order when I do.

[Revan]

We have no intention of removing the banish cap at this time. We want players to participate in a variety of activities and do not want any single activity to have overriding importance, such that players can't afford to miss it.

Well congratulations, you just confirmed that you want people to move to new servers, because without more coins and credits for people to earn, progress on servers will slowly grind to a halt and/or your biggest spenders on servers will slowly stop spending and quit.

And this is teh 2nd time you used the words "AT THIS TIME"

Which says to me the plan is to lift it at some point

So let me take guesses as to when that will be.

1. when servers have died off and no server can hit the 6,25b
2. When blayd wants it lifted since he is your biggest spender and you seem to listen to him more then others
3. when more people complain about this stupid cap that does not serve the purposes you state it does.
4. when you totally nerf banish or make it so incredibly hard noone could ever get the 6.25b banish
5. The game is so fundamentally changed the game the cap is irrelevant.

Matt it could also mean that there are no plans to change it but they are leaving the possibility open in case they change their minds for whatever reason.

Anyways, Dawn's right, removing the cap would make banish (once more and more servers hit the 6.25 billion banish) the single most important event of the day. The only reason to do anything other banish would be for assistant.

What I want to see are ragnorak and Heaven's Palace rewards adjusted instead because we all know that are a bit outdated.