How to fix the unfairness issue while still maintaining World Boss realm cap

[Jupitor]

I agree with Morgan on this one, although I myself have given up on banish completely.....lol

[kaisim_2492829]

the only real problem i see in it is that it wont work. here is your problem: what you really want is to have the 1.25B banish but if you dont have enough people to do it, it will turn back to the 250m banish. so unless you have a lot of strong players to maintain those, you will most likely get set back to 250 and then bounce between them. this is because usually its balanced just fine already with the strongest players being able to solo/duo the banishes but not being able to move onto the next one because they would loose by time during the rage phase. also the weaker players wouldnt be able to kill it on time without the strongest players.
now to cheer you up a bit, i think you are underestimating the value of the coins in having a bigger banish. for that you have to look at the weaker players who get in the smaller banishes 50k-500k coins and the same player in the bigger banishes 2m coins. now that may not seem a lot to yourself but to them its enough difference to make their days

[lostinhouse_815896]

On the face of it it sounds good doesn't it? Trouble is this will just end up with more grief than we started with.

Have 3 Banishes a day, but only allow players to do 2...

The problem here is does anyone know which Banish the biggest hitter(s)will participate in? Well no unless you ask them and then those who can will opt for the minus big hitter slot and those who can't because of school/college/work/walking the dog will then shout "unfair!" because their life commitments means they can't benefit from it. From this alone I can see this forum filling up with complaints that this new (proposed or suggested) system doesn't help them at all and giving unfair advantages to those it does.

And there is also no guarantee that without your heavy hitters you can take a 1.25b Banish down, so you could lose out there too. A 250m gives out far less, cap or not.

So I think the old adage fits this well " if it isn't broke don't try to fix it."

Its Broken.. it needs to be fixed.. Otherwise i would not be proposing a solution to a non existent problem. On our Server we can get the 1.25 Cerb done with or without Execdude. When Execdude is playing it is defeated in 15 - 20 minutes. When he is not there.. it takes the rest of us 45 - 50 minutes. Asking Exec to not boost just so the rest of us can earn our own resources is NOT FAIR TO HIM. NOR is it fair for us to have a 15 minute Banish where he takes 55% and the rest of us have to split the rest. Exec is strong enough to do an entire 1.25 baal by himself. And it isn't a matter of NOT allowing players to participate in a Banish event.. That is the WRONG way to look at it. We already have 2.. All you would be doing is adding a time option, which also has the added benefit of players being able to do banish on a schedule that better suits their Real life.. instead of having to bend their real life in order to play a game.

[Morgan le Fay]

Then if you aren't prepared to ask Exec to power down, move to another realm. Hate to break it to you if you want the best in your realm/guild then you have to take the rough with the smooth.

Asking for another Banish so you don't have to compete with Exec is a bit OTT IMHO. There are going to be players in your guild/realm who as I said have life commitments which means they will have no choice but to continue to compete with Exec and to be honest you aren't being very fair to them. If you want more arguments and dissent in your guild then this will surely bring it.

That said, this has been suggested before and nothing has come of it

[g346007_1906957]

Then if you aren't prepared to ask Exec to power down, move to another realm. Hate to break it to you if you want the best in your realm/guild then you have to take the rough with the smooth.

Asking for another Banish so you don't have to compete with Exec is a bit OTT IMHO. There are going to be players in your guild/realm who as I said have life commitments which means they will have no choice but to continue to compete with Exec and to be honest you aren't being very fair to them. If you want more arguments and dissent in your guild then this will surely bring it.

That said, this has been suggested before and nothing has come of it

Before when this was suggested, it was to benefit those with life commitments. Sometimes they need to miss an event or two, and having more events to choose from allows them to schedule their time easier. I still think it's a good idea; might not help with some servers, but it could do no harm.

[Morgan le Fay]

Before when this was suggested, it was to benefit those with life commitments. Sometimes they need to miss an event or two, and having more events to choose from allows them to schedule their time easier. I still think it's a good idea; might not help with some servers, but it could do no harm.

I still fail to see the need for 3 Banishes a day. One of the better suggestions I've seen was to swap Ragnarok and Baal around.

Tynon reps have also said if the timed events don't suit you in one timezone, then try another. I know that's a bit tricky now if you've built up your account, but I'm just throwing ideas around.

[davidschlebusch_6020359]

This will work if ALL players could do ALL 3 banishes in the day if this were to be implemented
I can never make banish during the week because of work, if there was maybe another banish with Baal being moved to lunch time and an extra banish to around 4pm, I would then be able to make at least one banish
IMO 3 banishes would be fine, but better if all players can participate even if that means them still getting the high rewards
But not only will they be getting higher rewards from participating 3 times a day ... any other player has also got the chance to get higher/better rewards from simply doing another banish per day
Its not like someone is losing out (yes, losing out from top position, but thats why its a challenge to get to the top) on getting better rewards.

So, this can definitely work, at least imo

[kaisim_2492829]

I still fail to see the need for 3 Banishes a day. One of the better suggestions I've seen was to swap Ragnarok and Baal around.

Tynon reps have also said if the timed events don't suit you in one timezone, then try another. I know that's a bit tricky now if you've built up your account, but I'm just throwing ideas around.

no its not tricky and its not rocket science either. IF they developed a hero to the point "of no return" then they are in that timezone by choice. they could have switched days, weeks, months or whenever they started but chosen not to. so if they cant show up for an event then its their fault and they have no excuse.
the only excuse they could have is when they change events around as they did back then with GW, lady and ragna when they started CW (fun fact: on our server in the following month we had the active server pop reduced to half because of the time switches). if you now decide to switch out baal and ragna for example then you actually give them a reason to complain about things like "i was able to deal with no ragna but now i can only do one banish". swapping out events or changing the times for them is actually the worst you can do to the entire server pop to help a couple of players.

[Morgan le Fay]

no its not tricky and its not rocket science either. IF they developed a hero to the point "of no return" then they are in that timezone by choice. they could have switched days, weeks, months or whenever they started but chosen not to. so if they cant show up for an event then its their fault and they have no excuse.

A bit harshly said but I get your point.

the only excuse they could have is when they change events around as they did back then with lady and ragna when they started CW. if you now decide to switch out baal and ragna for example then you actually give them a reason to complain about things like "i was able to deal with no ragna but now i can only do one banish". swapping out events or changing the times for them is actually the worst you can do to the entire server pop to help a couple of players.

Unless a person works unusual hours such as shift work, most people are at home at around 6pm which is why I thought it could solve cacophony of problems. Banish wasn't originally intended as a major income of resources which is why the 'Rage mode' and cap was introduced. I seriously doubt a third Banish will be introduced mainly for that reason. Tynon doesn't want Banish to be the whole game but a part of it.

People are always suggesting ways of 'improving' Banish with good intent to benefit themselves, their friends and to increase their daily resource gathering. It's the last bit which is why either have 3 Banishes, but only be able to do two or have 3 chances at Banish a day probably won't happen.

[Lita]

just to throw my 2 pennies worth into the mix

I like a lot of people work in the day, so we miss out on both of the banish events, I like a lot of other people only ever get to do them at the week end! it would only be fair and proper, if they did put another banish on later in the evening say 10 pm, so that the workers can get to do at least 1 banish a day in the week, it would make a lot of workers very happy, because we can't do the daily ones, we are the ones who are losing out in the game, we pay and play this game too!