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    Banish question - damage.

    I am now the lucky owner of a full mooned (no pun intended) Lancelot.
    My damage in cerb hasn't changed though and I am wondering if the damage we can do is capped somehow?
    Does anyone have some insight in that?

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    First off congratulations Wild.

    There really isn't any way your question can be easily answered. The damage I do varies from 2-3% to 0.4% in 1.25b. Other factors such as critical hits, bypass cool-downs, 80% or 100% and the amount of participants impact the amount everyone gets.

    Many, many players have scratched their heads over this conundrum but no clear answer has been given.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildflower View Post
    I am now the lucky owner of a full mooned (no pun intended) Lancelot.
    My damage in cerb hasn't changed though and I am wondering if the damage we can do is capped somehow?
    Does anyone have some insight in that?
    The damage isn't cap'd.

    To find out what really happens to your Lance, you have to watch an entire round until it ends.

    For most cases, you have to balance having a lot of stunners while dishing out maximum damage.

    A full-starred Lance won't do much total damage if you can't keep the boss stunned for the entire 30 rounds.

    What's your banish formation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herby View Post
    The damage isn't cap'd.

    To find out what really happens to your Lance, you have to watch an entire round until it ends.

    For most cases, you have to balance having a lot of stunners while dishing out maximum damage.

    A full-starred Lance won't do much total damage if you can't keep the boss stunned for the entire 30 rounds.

    What's your banish formation?
    @Morgan, ty, I felt rather pleased myself .

    @Herby;

    I have watched and part of the problem is running out of rounds.
    I am now trying to add more damage and reduce the stun part of it to see if that makes a difference.

    Normal form includes:
    aphro, shayd, cianna, thucy, lance and prophet. I have replaced thucy with pompey for this afternoon.

    However, I have close contact with another player on my server.
    His banish heroes are a lot weaker then mine, but we have similar equip lvls.
    Today we had a similar amount of people for banish, we used the same formation (including pompey, this morning we used Calvin).
    I did 57%
    Second was 19%
    third 5%

    His realm:
    He did 57%
    second 19%
    third 10%

    We reached final round at a similar time ( he had 1 extra round).
    You would say that his no moon lance and minor moon heroes would amount to less damage.
    This would only make sense if all of us are running out of rounds I think?
    Last edited by Wildflower; 06-22-2014 at 03:30 PM.

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    Along with my conspiracy theory that Tynon's RNG is awful...most of it probably depends on the crits on lance. For a while, I've been noticing my lance almost always critting, and then for a few days he only crits occasionally. (basically I doubt the rolls are independent of each other... you will get mainly lucky or unlucky streaks and rarely anything in the middle)


    Edit: Random and off topic but...

    I just tried a 0 stunner form (pvp form), since I was lazy today. I am still lasting past the full minute sometimes and I don't even have the 7th slot. Could we get that results button yet? It has nothing to do with the Devs somehow missing that stunners could be used effectively in banish...
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    Quote Originally Posted by g346007_1906957 View Post
    Along with my conspiracy theory that Tynon's RNG is awful...most of it probably depends on the crits on lance. For a while, I've been noticing my lance almost always critting, and then for a few days he only crits occasionally. (basically I doubt the rolls are independent of each other... you will get mainly lucky or unlucky streaks and rarely anything in the middle)
    Yes, as Morgan also reflected, it is rather luck dependent for sure.
    I will keep that in mind the next couple of days with testing.
    Still, I do feel full mooned vs no moons should be reflected in the score somehow.
    This will need more testing though to see if this afternoon he got very lucky and I got unlucky .

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    @wildflower
    I think there is a limit of how many stuns in a row you can land on the boss and after a certain count it will not get stunned for a full round. I can't tell for sure but i have noticed some things that are going on, compared not only total damage per round but also compared it to the max number of rounds. of course there is nothing i can say 100% because at the end there is a huge portion of luck on different levels (doing max individual damage, landing stuns and landing crits). however, i have noticed that if you prefer to have multiple stunners then make sure they are not hitting in sequence, best seems to spread them over subs. i am currently with 2 stunners and am doing significantly more damage than with 3 or 4. all i say you have to find a balance between trying to sun and doing damage. for example if a stunner like shayd is doing decent damage but is missing every 3rd round you have to take that into consideration over another stunner who is doing slightly less damage but never misses.
    i have right now 2 setups with 2 stunners (aphro/cianna and aphro/shayd) each that i am testing and they seem to be the strongest and most reliable. i've had other forms using 3 and 4 stunners that did only half the damage.

    also to make your lance do more damage give him lv 12 crit rune and aim for crit sancts (i know its luck, but removing certain sancts early and planning ahead helps) and the same for your other heroes. even your cianna can crit and your main (usually your first sacrifice is actually a decent DD) as well. grz on your "mooning", but its not as significant as you think because the critical damage is much more significant than a small raise in power.
    good luck


    ps: not for you, but to the other readers: often players experience a damage reduction after increasing shayds preciseness to 11 and 12. in my experience that is based on the fact that becasue she doesnt miss as much anymore it results into a higher frequency of stuns that lead to the main (usually at that stage without light spirit) running up the bosses morale and resulting into an early party wipe-out
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaisim_2492829 View Post
    @wildflower
    ps: not for you, but to the other readers: often players experience a damage reduction after increasing shayds preciseness to 11 and 12. in my experience that is based on the fact that becasue she doesnt miss as much anymore it results into a higher frequency of stuns that lead to the main (usually at that stage without light spirit) running up the bosses morale and resulting into an early party wipe-out
    That makes sense. One mystery solved.
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    @Kaisim

    Thanks for your reply.
    He is wearing max runes and max sword/spirit, also all talents are maxed.
    I am pretty sure it has to do with running out of rounds, though my comparison to the other guy left me quite shocked.
    My best stunner is Aphro, Cianna and Shayd are nice seconds where I find that sometimes Shayd will stun more, though her damage is dismal compared to Cianna.
    I will run a few days with Pompey in sub instead of Thucy and see if what the outcome will be.

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    Wildflower, do you get better output using Calvin or without Calvin? What heroes do you use in addition to Calvin when you have him in?

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