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    Quote Originally Posted by Riot View Post
    If you know of better than share it. Otherwise it does not exist.

    Also if you can get 1Bil damage with any other formation in under 20 minutes let me know.

    It's not your formation that does the damage, its your heroes' 18 stars, tailored saints, and maxxed out equipment.


    "If you know of better than share it. Otherwise it does not exist."

    Lol. Just lol.

    There's no one in my server who's at, or remotely near to 1.4b power.
    But I know several players at 300m power who can do ~700m damage in 20mins.
    VIP 5-6, no tailored saints, highest starred hero is 14-15 stars,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herby View Post
    It's not your formation that does the damage, its your heroes' 18 stars, tailored saints, and maxxed out equipment.


    "If you know of better than share it. Otherwise it does not exist."

    Lol winning CWF too many times gone to your head it seems?

    I wonder when did you start thinking you're the best strategist and thinker in Tynon.

    Best coiner, yes, we'll all give you that.

    But thinker and strategist. Hmm. I beg to differ.
    Aside from Aphro none are even close to 18 stars. Lance recent got there, but even before he was remotely close to 18 it was similar damage.

    My Cienna and Thuc are barely 11 - 13 stars if that, and the saints are crap on them and all over the place. Shayd is a miserable lot with low saint and low stars. If I star them to 18 and saint them properly, it would be 1bil damage within 15 minutes. Also these damages were well before my gears were even remotely close to being maxed out.

    I just want everyone out there to maximize on banish. So it can be used by anyone and everyone who can benefit from it. However, you do not seem to share the same sentiment, and may feel threatened by information that may challenge your advantage. Am I not correct in this assessment?

    I like you Herby, but you are a stingy lot when it comes to sharing key information where you can gain an advantage and you will not share it, and keep the secret to your self if it gives you the advantage. I do not believe in this. I think open source is the way to go. Everyone should know it so everyone can be their best.

    People can try it and see if it works for them. But I assure you it is better than what 95% of the people are using out there. I have experimented with a lot of formations and everything that has been posted on the forums. None does it like this one.

    So again, if you know of a better one, then share it. Otherwise it does not exist and I have to assume you just want to keep everyone else from using it to benefit from it and create more competition for everyone else within your ranks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riot View Post
    Aside from Aphro none are even close to 18 stars. Lance recent got there, but even before he was remotely close to 18 it was similar damage.

    My Cienna and Thuc are barely 11 - 13 stars if that, and the saints are crap on them and all over the place. Shayd is a miserable lot with low saint and low stars. If I star them to 18 and saint them properly, it would be 1bil damage within 15 minutes. Also these damages were well before my gears were even remotely close to being maxed out.

    I just want everyone out there to maximize on banish. So it can be used by anyone and everyone who can benefit from it. However, you do not seem to share the same sentiment, and may feel threatened by information that may challenge your advantage. Am I not correct in this assessment?

    I like you Herby, but you are a stingy lot when it comes to sharing key information where you can gain an advantage and you will not share it, and keep the secret to your self if it gives you the advantage. I do not believe in this. I think open source is the way to go. Everyone should know it so everyone can be their best.

    People can try it and see if it works for them. But I assure you it is better than what 95% of the people are using out there. I have experimented with a lot of formations and everything that has been posted on the forums. None does it like this one.

    So again, if you know of a better one, then share it. Otherwise it does not exist and I have to assume you just want to keep everyone else from using it to benefit from it and create more competition for everyone else within your ranks.
    There are better formations out there, and they exist, but I choose not to share them.
    I don't like posting formations and people will use them without even knowing how they work.

    Your damage come from Lance, Aphro and your Leader mostly. Even starring the other heroes to 18 will not help much since their primary role is to keep the Boss stunned while those 3 heroes do the damage. Like I said, your damage is from stars, gear, and saints.


    I also don't understand why you keep on using an "X" formation. Aesthetics?

    Herja* X Shayd
    X Main X
    Lance X Aphro

    Is essentially the same as:

    Lance Aphro Shayd
    Herja Main x
    x x x

    with one minor difference... do you think it makes a difference?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herby View Post

    Herja* X Shayd
    X Main X
    Lance X Aphro

    Is essentially the same as:

    Lance Aphro Shayd
    Herja Main x
    x x x

    with one minor difference... do you think it makes a difference?
    yes it does make a difference. I've used this before.

    Die order is: Main, sub, sub, herja, shayd, aphro, lance

    Once herja is dead, lance's hit generates morale for banish and ends it much earlier than one would like.

    Die order of formation I am using: Main, sub, sub, shayd, herja, lance, aphro

    Again, i have tried them both and found this to be better long term formation.

    If you won't share your formation, then you really can't claim yours is better.

    Also strategy is very different for PVP vs. Banish. You talk about strategy, but you really do not know what it is like to be in my shoe in CWF and how the buffs really change the dynamic of the fight. Trust me when I say that the game needs a few more fixes in PVP now that the crown buffs are in place. Right now there is a serious balance issue between support class and damage class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riot View Post
    yes it does make a difference. I've used this before.

    Die order is: Main, sub, sub, herja, shayd, aphro, lance

    Once herja is dead, lance's hit generates morale for banish and ends it much earlier than one would like.

    Die order of formation I am using: Main, sub, sub, shayd, herja, lance, aphro

    Again, i have tried them both and found this to be better long term formation.

    If you won't share your formation, then you really can't claim yours is better.

    Also strategy is very different for PVP vs. Banish. You talk about strategy, but you really do not know what it is like to be in my shoe in CWF and how the buffs really change the dynamic of the fight. Trust me when I say that the game needs a few more fixes in PVP now that the crown buffs are in place. Right now there is a serious balance issue between support class and damage class.
    Actually your die order is: Main, sub, sub, shayd, herja, aphro, lance

    From my previous post:

    "I don't think there is a "best form". There are too many factors that can affect this such as hit rating, crit values, mage misses, and the luck factor."

    For example, if your Aphro didn't have 321 hit rating, do you think your formation would work out as well as you'd expect?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herby View Post
    Actually you're wrong.

    Your die order is: Main, sub, sub, shayd, herja, aphro, lance

    From my previous post:

    "I don't think there is a "best form". There are too many factors that can affect this such as hit rating, crit values, mage misses, and the luck factor."

    For example, if your Aphro didn't have 321 hit rating, do you think your formation would work out as well as you'd expect?
    Actually it would even though aphro's hit is not as high. People on my server with 200 mil power (no aphro) are getting well over 250mil damage within the first 15 - 20 minutes (1 sub).

    Also I mixed the die order between lance and aphro. Can use either. It makes very little material difference at the end.

    With 30 round limit per turn, there is a diminishing return.
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    I am just a little fish but I read in the forum somewhere that during Banish's you should strip all defensive runes and put offensive runes. If you do this how will it help you? Does it make that much of a difference? The whole point of Banish is to get as much damage as possible? Is this correct? So by changing ur runes would it be possible to achieve the billions of damage that you all are talking about? I am still learning this game but would like to know how the big fish think? Thanks for answering this little fish questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by h2ojobless_9032296 View Post
    I am just a little fish but I read in the forum somewhere that during Banish's you should strip all defensive runes and put offensive runes. If you do this how will it help you? Does it make that much of a difference? The whole point of Banish is to get as much damage as possible? Is this correct? So by changing ur runes would it be possible to achieve the billions of damage that you all are talking about? I am still learning this game but would like to know how the big fish think? Thanks for answering this little fish questions.
    i assume thats for lower levels like you. for example if you put adept, bane, advantage, morale, infalability, (maybe vitality for pomp), then thats 5 attack runes and when you have only 6 slots for example then its not a rune setup you would normally have. at our levels however the runesetup is assumed at 8 open slots and most here posting have endurance+vengance and or reliability already on.
    Last edited by kaisim_2492829; 08-13-2014 at 11:59 PM. Reason: corrected a 10 into an 8 for the slots
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    The forums sure has fallen from grace, turning into a vent-fest, instead of people sharing ideas and techniques.
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    I choose to lose the way I do so I can get max tickets when I give up the CWF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herby View Post
    It's not your formation that does the damage, its your heroes' 18 stars, tailored saints, and maxxed out equipment.

    There's no one in my server who's at, or remotely near to 1.4b power.
    But I know several players at 300m power who can do ~700m damage in 20mins.
    VIP 5-6, no tailored saints, highest starred hero is 14-15 stars,
    getting 500m+ in 15min w Riot's last shared form w a slight tweak which works better for me w low 400m base power on that form

    Quote Originally Posted by Herby View Post
    There are better formations out there, and they exist, but I choose not to share them.
    I don't like posting formations and people will use them without even knowing how they work.
    thats pretty selfish imo idk why u care to criticize others who do share :P

    Quote Originally Posted by Herby View Post
    Your damage come from Lance, Aphro and your Leader mostly.
    how would ur damage come from ur leader mostly when it dies in first or second round in most cases (talking about Riot's form right?). and again, what damage each hero deals highly depends on other factors as how they r built/dressed etc.


    Quote Originally Posted by Herby View Post
    I don't think there is a "best form". There are too many factors that can affect this such as hit rating, crit values, mage misses, and the luck factor.

    I just know there are better forms out there, just from analyzing the formations used, based on die order and attack order.
    ur second statement kinda kills the first :P
    what a player's best form is depends on how his/her heros built. players need to experiment to find their own best.
    I value Riot sharing his ideas. would luv to see urs Herby

    cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by s.myray_2760080 View Post
    getting 500m+ in 15min w Riot's last shared form w a slight tweak which works better for me w low 400m base power on that form
    I've been getting something similar with a similar power. (a bit better, but probably only because I dumped a lot of gems and cards into my lance and nothing else xD)

    Using:
    Herja Thu X
    Main X X
    X Lance Aphro
    Sub: Cianna
    Sub 2: Shayd

    I've been hitting the 30 round limit every now and then and thought changing shayd for another hitter might be better. Didn't bother testing how often though since I don't need coins anymore.

    Hitting the 30 round limit is probably why Riot's banish form might look different from others.

    Quote Originally Posted by s.myray_2760080 View Post
    thats pretty selfish imo idk why u care to criticize others who do share :P
    I would love to hear Herby's forms as well, but value his criticizing too. It's a lot better to spread no information than wrong information. Or maybe he just regrets getting Riot to stop using Khan for banish...

    Quote Originally Posted by s.myray_2760080 View Post
    how would ur damage come from ur leader mostly when it dies in first or second round in most cases (talking about Riot's form right?). and again, what damage each hero deals highly depends on other factors as how they r built/dressed etc.
    Think Herby is wrong on this one. The damage of the physical damage stunner should matter more than the leader.

    Quote Originally Posted by s.myray_2760080 View Post
    ur second statement kinda kills the first :P
    what a player's best form is depends on how his/her heros built. players need to experiment to find their own best.
    I value Riot sharing his ideas. would luv to see urs Herby

    cheers
    Riot plays with different pieces than us. It might be still helpful, but you're right that we need to find out for ourselves.

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