CW final??

[FlandreScarlet_7896971]

paraphrasing to make it sound lesser isnt the right way to go either. i dont know what your relation is to fleur but you seem to be defending him a lot. lets make this clear, once and for all. yes players can "fight" with whatever they desire, but it's not much of a "fight" if they remove all heroes and show up with nothing.
you like your metaphors, so here is one for you:
take 2 boxers, one is the undisputed heavyweight champ and the other is a 6 foot tall paperweight who gets almost knocked out the first round and then for the next 4 rounds the heavyweight holds still and doesnt swing, at all. legal or illegal?
how about a jokey who holds his horse back for the first 2 races to then win in the 3rd as the underdog on a 1:49 bet? strategy or illegal?

you can name is as you want, its still staging a fight and its not only morally wrong if players know how to place bets. you can dress it up as like and call it strategy or might as well put lipstick on a pig, its still a pig.

First off your boxing reference is horrible. In this situation Riot would have been the heavyweight and fleur the other so to speak though the gap isn't that large; you're saying a stronger power is giving way to the lower which is not the case here. Also you're still using real world scenarios which involve different rules and regulations. (I think we already covered why its bad to compare the two, but hey; when you do you ever listen)

You can throw your morale standards around as much as you want, but in the end. There were no rules broken; thats all that matters.

Also there is no relation to fleur and I. I would have said the same if anyone had made it that far and played however they wanted to with the match.

[kaisim_2492829]

First off your boxing reference is horrible. In this situation Riot would have been the heavyweight and fleur the other so to speak though the gap isn't that large; you're saying a stronger power is giving way to the lower which is not the case here. Also you're still using real world scenarios which involve different rules and regulations. (I think we already covered why its bad to compare the two, but hey; when you do you ever listen)

You can throw your morale standards around as much as you want, but in the end. There were no rules broken; thats all that matters.

Also there is no relation to fleur and I. I would have said the same if anyone had made it that far and played however they wanted to with the match.

i wasnt saying that riot is a heavyweight or a jokey, i was was trying to explain you how the match got exploited by fleur.
you just just dont want to get it because you know its wrong but are afraid of punishment if you admit to it

[FlandreScarlet_7896971]

i wasnt saying that riot is a heavyweight or a jokey, i was was trying to explain you how the match got exploited by fleur.
you just just dont want to get it because you know its wrong but are afraid of punishment if you admit to it

and you just don't get that its not an exploit, not at all now, not ever. the worst you can throw at this depends on your "morale standard" of how it went down.
I"m not afraid of punishment because it doesn't violate the ToS, which governs this game. So there never will be a punishment. The only punishment we have is to have to listen to people like you who think doing what you want with your acct is an exploit an makes whomever would partake in such a thing a cheater, a horrible person and we are prob goin to hell for it.

[kaisim_2492829]

and you just don't get that its not an exploit, not at all now, not ever. the worst you can throw at this depends on your "morale standard" of how it went down.
I"m not afraid of punishment because it doesn't violate the ToS, which governs this game. So there never will be a punishment. The only punishment we have is to have to listen to people like you who think doing what you want with your acct is an exploit an makes whomever would partake in such a thing a cheater, a horrible person and we are prob goin to hell for it.

you are doing it again and paraphrasing to make it sound lesser and twisting words by taking them out of context!
the actual quote was:

[...]you can name is as you want, its still staging a fight and its not only morally wrong if players know how to place bets. you can dress it up as like and call it strategy or might as well put lipstick on a pig, its still a pig.

now that being said, the TOS reads:
CHEATS AND HACKS - You agree that you will not, under any circumstances: d. Use cheats, exploits, automation software, bots, hacks[...]

definition of an exploit according to mirriam-webster:
ex·ploit verb \ik-ˈsplȯit, ˈek-ˌ\
: to get value or use from (something)

: to use (someone or something) in a way that helps you unfairly

now you tell us exactly how it is NOT an exploit if their guilds and alts knew how to place the bets during the matches

[Morgan le Fay]

I think you need to go learn what the definition of a exploit is.

Its not an exploit, it doesn't violate ToS. You're making something out of nothing

Exploits by their definition are difficult to explain. One man's exploit is another man's trick. However you are right in this case uCool don't consider 'match fixing' as a illegal (as far as I know currently).

Whether an exploit is considered a cheat, or all exploits are cheats, is a matter of widespread debate that varies between genres, games, and other factors. The distinction is important as it decides how the developers and community responds to the issue and to the players who exploit the issue. On the one hand exploits can be considered illegitimate cheats that the developers should address and exploiters should be banned, while on the other hand exploits can be considered simply part of the game.

Arguments in favor of the cheating view involve the spirit of the game and the potentially damaging effects of the exploit on the game's community.[3][4] While the rules or game code may not explicitly disallow a specific exploit, it may be seen that using that exploit goes against the spirit of the game.[3] The potential damage of an exploit on a game has been described by an online community manager as "devastating".[4]

In defense of these behaviors are arguments that the rules of the game allow it and that players might not know they are behaving against the designer's intention.[5][6] So-called exploits, in this view, are not cheats because they do not change the game in any way and therefore could be accessible to all players if they know how to do it.[2] The players who use such techniques may consider them fair for use in the game in cases when they are not explicitly disallowed in the Terms of Service or other such rules governing participation.[5]

NB Wikipedia is not the most reliable source for information since it can be edited by anyone. However I thought this quote explained exploits and what is legal or not quite eloquently.

I find the definition of an exploit to be unclear as well. Clearing it wasn't meant for the players to throw their fights either and it's totally up to the player when they want to claim a reward... so your example doesn't mean anything. This is similar to powering down for HP which may or may not be an exploit.

We do know that throwing a match is not an exploit because Dawnseeker said it's not strictly cheating. But I honestly don't know what makes it different than an exploit.

I'll simplify this; uCool consider any manipulation of the game's coding to gain an advantage as an exploit. No one really gains much from fixing a CWF or dare I say it Heaven's Palace.

The only argument you can say against it, is that it isn't in 'spirit of the game' or the player has a south facing morale compass. Whatever, most really don't care much since it's unlikely they'll be in a position to 'throw' a final.

[kaisim_2492829]

Exploits by their definition are difficult to explain. One man's exploit is another man's trick. However you are right in this case uCool don't consider 'match fixing' as a illegal (as far as I know currently).

and unfortunately that is exactly why they do it because they know that ucool doesnt care about cheaters, exploits, multiple accounts, etc ... i would even bet that is some that actually have some hack going to get more coins, better items, etc, but again it would be up to ucool to research, detect, prove and punish it




ps@morgan: i looked at wiki first but noticed the description that you quoted as well but didnt post it because its not a definition (as in the undisputed mirriam-webster) but is more a description with multiple authors and "ongoing" discussions.