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    What if the requirements to purchase things in cwf shop were significantly cheaper..
    I'm sure that by now we have come to realise that Tynon will not do anything about this issue as it stands.
    So, imo the best solution is to significantly reduce prices so we can purchase more during and after each cwf.
    If we get low tickets from people 'throwing' their fights and make it a tough deal for us to bet, Tynon could perhaps reduce the prices so we get what we would have got if people didn't throw their fights.

    Just another wild suggestion of mine that will help much smaller people catcher up quicker.. Quicker people catch up, quicker Tynon may be forced to release some more content as more people reach the top...

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidschlebusch_6020359 View Post
    What if the requirements to purchase things in cwf shop were significantly cheaper..
    I'm sure that by now we have come to realise that Tynon will not do anything about this issue as it stands.
    So, imo the best solution is to significantly reduce prices so we can purchase more during and after each cwf.
    If we get low tickets from people 'throwing' their fights and make it a tough deal for us to bet, Tynon could perhaps reduce the prices so we get what we would have got if people didn't throw their fights.

    Just another wild suggestion of mine that will help much smaller people catcher up quicker.. Quicker people catch up, quicker Tynon may be forced to release some more content as more people reach the top...
    and then what? as is, everyone is already catching up too fast, otherwise they wouldnt scream for more content.
    i still think the best solution to this is what i previously suggested (no more bets, no more tickets until its over. top players (top 100 for example) pick rewards according to actual won games and placement during the CW, etc) to actually make it worth everyones time and force them to try to win every single match or go away with significantly less.
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    [...]This is likely a case of collective obsessional behavior (i.e. group delusion). This can spread rapidly through any group based on fear and rumors without any objective facts. We've seen it happen numerous times in Tynon already.
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    The forums sure has fallen from grace, turning into a vent-fest, instead of people sharing ideas and techniques.
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    I choose to lose the way I do so I can get max tickets when I give up the CWF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaisim_2492829 View Post
    and then what? as is, everyone is already catching up too fast, otherwise they wouldnt scream for more content.
    i still think the best solution to this is what i previously suggested (no more bets, no more tickets until its over. top players (top 100 for example) pick rewards according to actual won games and placement during the CW, etc) to actually make it worth everyones time and force them to try to win every single match or go away with significantly less.
    Another solution could be, not necessarily banning people, but to whoever got in the previous FINALS of a cwf will not be allowed to fight the next cwf.. Therefore, more people have an opportunity to win and do a little better in cwf the previous 2 weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidschlebusch_6020359 View Post
    Another solution could be, not necessarily banning people, but to whoever got in the previous FINALS of a cwf will not be allowed to fight the next cwf.. Therefore, more people have an opportunity to win and do a little better in cwf the previous 2 weeks.
    I don't like the idea of people having to sit out. This will just lead to people throwing fight in order to not get into finals.

    They should simply let everyone fight each round and get rid of betting. Then I wouldn't care who throws which fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by g346007_1906957 View Post
    I don't like the idea of people having to sit out. This will just lead to people throwing fight in order to not get into finals.

    They should simply let everyone fight each round and get rid of betting. Then I wouldn't care who throws which fight.
    Seeing that betting is currently my current best way of improving my stars, especially purple stars, I am against that.
    I didn't mean that somebody would have to COMPLETELY sit out the whole tournament and get nothing.
    I don't know if you have noticed but if you don't sign up for cwf you won't fight the whole tournament, however, when comes knockout stages you are still able to bet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidschlebusch_6020359 View Post
    Seeing that betting is currently my current best way of improving my stars, especially purple stars, I am against that.
    I didn't mean that somebody would have to COMPLETELY sit out the whole tournament and get nothing.
    I don't know if you have noticed but if you don't sign up for cwf you won't fight the whole tournament, however, when comes knockout stages you are still able to bet.
    you cant have it all david, there has to be sacrifices made at some point. you cant restructure the CW for just a few and leave it conveniently for the others as is.
    your "sitting out" is not a good solution either, thats what the crowns are intended for in the first place, so not so many win too many tournaments. dont forget that the ones complaining about it most is the ones who are throwing the fights. so, as long as they can use "not wanting 2x lv8 chips but getting the same tickets" as an excuse to not win, then thats to me an indicator that the gaps between the top 8 finishers need to be increased in a way that it hurts to not win.
    also if the rewards are significantly raised its fine since you wont see anything from it in the first place for a long time. the CW was never intended as a tool to let others catch up anyways. this way you would get better rewards for the games you do win and have an intensive to move within the tournament as far as possible.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dawnseeker View Post
    [...]This is likely a case of collective obsessional behavior (i.e. group delusion). This can spread rapidly through any group based on fear and rumors without any objective facts. We've seen it happen numerous times in Tynon already.
    Quote Originally Posted by Herby View Post
    The forums sure has fallen from grace, turning into a vent-fest, instead of people sharing ideas and techniques.
    Quote Originally Posted by riot View Post
    I choose to lose the way I do so I can get max tickets when I give up the CWF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidschlebusch_6020359 View Post
    Seeing that betting is currently my current best way of improving my stars, especially purple stars, I am against that.
    I didn't mean that somebody would have to COMPLETELY sit out the whole tournament and get nothing.
    I don't know if you have noticed but if you don't sign up for cwf you won't fight the whole tournament, however, when comes knockout stages you are still able to bet.
    Betting is only your best way of getting tickets because more tickets are given for later rounds. If you replace them with fights, they would still scale up the same.

    People would still throw fights to not get into the finals with your idea. Since you get the full amount you would have won by betting from losing a fight, it is advantageous to not have to sit out and bet.

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    Before I say my opinion try to keep the comments clean here guys. I know plenty of you are miffed but I don't want to see words that turns my milkshake sour.

    Quote Originally Posted by Riot View Post
    I think we have all been down this definition path. There is no exploit. LOL

    If one chooses to lose a fight or round that is their choice. The game allows you to do this and so I fail to see your continued rant about an exploit. Maybe if Tynon allowed the person to pick their favorite chips and not get stuck with junk and also take on 5% debuff permanently, there would be less people feeling like they want to give up the CWF for future winnings.
    The whole point of the handicap was to try and prevent the same players winning CWF all the time. If you don't like it-good!

    As for exploits. When Yue dropped that CWF, it was done with the intention of allowing his guildie win some nice rewards and therefore done out of kindness. However, you and Fleur are doing it to prevent yourselves accruing crowns/handicaps. Manipulating the mechanics for your own ends is exploiting. Now even though this is exploiting it's down to uCool to decide whether this behaviour is violating their ToS or not. That, I'm afraid guys is out of our hands.

    Quote Originally Posted by Riot View Post
    probably bad chip?
    I don't think this excuse is washing with most now. That said it doesn't stop you being in the top two and gaining the best winnings though.

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    the saga continues wont help any as long as the devs abandon the forums
    It's a saga all right. That said I'm sure Tynon do know about it if nothing else many angry CS tickets have been filed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan le Fay View Post

    As for exploits. When Yue dropped that CWF, it was done with the intention of allowing his guildie win some nice rewards and therefore done out of kindness. However, you and Fleur are doing it to prevent yourselves accruing crowns/handicaps. Manipulating the mechanics for your own ends is exploiting. Now even though this is exploiting it's down to uCool to decide whether this behaviour is violating their ToS or not. That, I'm afraid guys is out of our hands.
    I have to respectfully disagree.

    So what you are saying is Yue dropped and intentionally lost CWF to help others so it is ok, and Fluer and I did not intent to help anyone so it is an exploit?

    This makes no sense and it is contradictory statement.

    Here is the fact for the simple minded folks.

    A person has the right to play the game as they see fit within the mechanics of the game (PERIOD). If the game allows them to change up the formation so they lose or win, then it is allowed and it is not an exploit. If a person uses a Maria that was bugged and not intended to be in the game but uses it in CWF, that is an exploit. Notice the two difference?

    If a person wishes to throw a fight because they have crap chip, it is their choice. On the flip side, if a person chooses to lose rounds because he wants to in your words "help other people" earn more chips without having to guess who will win the next 5 rounds, then that is also a choice.

    At the end the results were the same for the two champions in the finals.

    I am sure there are those out there who won tickets because it was obvious to them are thankful, they do not have to "guess" or take chances on who will win. Which may have yielded less tickets at the end.

    Notice there are around 17x betting the other direction during the fight? Those are probably who own multiple alts who are betting on both ends "just incase".

    This game is full of possibilities and loop holes. To ask the DEV to punish someone for playing the game within the mechanics allows is ridiculous and will be laughed at. If the DEV team wants to fix that, then they can do a lot of things to not allow for these changes. But it is obviously clear, they do not have any intention of limiting how a person plays the game.

    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan le Fay View Post
    A possible solution is if match fixing has taken place then the person/s responsible have to spend the next CWF in the 'sin bin'. Might be a big enough deterrent.
    Another "bad idea" The only sin is allowing this topic to even be discussed in such a manner and by a moderator at that.

    Quote Originally Posted by kaisim_2492829 View Post
    so far on 92 two players have quit based on last nights "fixing" of matches and said good bye to us. i cant say names on the forum but one of them was a VIP9.

    Who was that, your two alts?

    ROFL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riot View Post
    I have to respectfully disagree.

    So what you are saying is Yue dropped and intentionally lost CWF to help others so it is ok, and Fluer and I did not intent to help anyone so it is an exploit?

    This makes no sense and it is contradictory statement.

    Here is the fact for the simple minded folks.

    A person has the right to play the game as they see fit within the mechanics of the game (PERIOD). If the game allows them to change up the formation so they lose or win, then it is allowed and it is not an exploit. If a person uses a Maria that was bugged and not intended to be in the game but uses it in CWF, that is an exploit. Notice the two difference?

    If a person wishes to throw a fight because they have crap chip, it is their choice. On the flip side, if a person chooses to lose rounds because he wants to in your words "help other people" earn more chips without having to guess who will win the next 5 rounds, then that is also a choice.

    At the end the results were the same for the two champions in the finals.

    I am sure there are those out there who won tickets because it was obvious to them are thankful, they do not have to "guess" or take chances on who will win. Which may have yielded less tickets at the end.

    Notice there are around 17x betting the other direction during the fight? Those are probably who own multiple alts who are betting on both ends "just incase".

    This game is full of possibilities and loop holes. To ask the DEV to punish someone for playing the game within the mechanics allows is ridiculous and will be laughed at. If the DEV team wants to fix that, then they can do a lot of things to not allow for these changes. But it is obviously clear, they do not have any intention of limiting how a person plays the game.



    Another "bad idea" The only sin is allowing this topic to even be discussed in such a manner and by a moderator at that.
    That is well said

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